JamesSloan & Ann Henderson

[Kay99]

I think the confusion comes from James Sloan - husband of Ann - being listed with a father John  when baptised on 8 Jan 1803 at Stair, Ayrshire- edit no mother listed

Kay

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sorry Ambly. I meant the parents of James Sloan.I think his father may have been John .
David

[Kay99]

I hate to say this but are you sure you have got the right Margaret Sloan??   

You say their daughter was Margaret Bisset Nicol who checking on Scotlands People was born in 1861 in Kilsyth, Stirling and there is a marriage of Margaret Sloan to John Nicol on 27 Aug 1852 - Middle Church,Paisley,Renfrew. Do you have the marriage cert??  Edit - But pre 1855 it probably wouldn't name the parents

If this is the right marriage it could not be the Margaret Sloan born in Stair as she was still living with her parents in 1861 (see Ambly's first post above) and I think the family below is John Nichol and Margret Sloan(who married in 1852) in 1861 living in  Kilsyth

John Nicoll    32  Hairdresser b Dundee Forfarshire
Margt Nicoll  b Kilbarcha, Renfrew
William Nicoll 7  b Neilston, Renfrew
Martha Nicoll 6 b Neilston, Renfrew
John Nicoll    3  Kilsyth, Stirlingshire
Thomas D Nicoll    1 b Kilsyth, Stirlingshire
Margt B Nicoll    1 Month b Kilsyth, Stirlingshire

For this family the Bisset middle name for Margaret appears to have come her father's side as there is an online death for John Nicol (a barber age 40) on 20 Jan 1867, Kilsyth with wife Margaret and parents James Nicol (innkeeper) and Margaret Nichol nee Bisset

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Hi Kay,
I am fairly certain I have the right Margaret Sloan,married to John Nicol.
One of their daughters was Jane(Mary) Nicol born Oct 24 1865 who ,married a James Henry Murdoch.The following is an excerpt from Janes Family Bible:

I have a beautiful big bible mum gave me years ago. There are certificates of births in it. (I'll send you  copies when I send back the photos.)
One is the register of birth of Jane Nicolle, born on 24th October, 1865, at 5.20am in the Parish of Kilsyth, to Margaret Nicol and John Nicolle. Why the difference in spelling of the surnames on this certificate, I have no idea.. It's interesting also to see that a name directly under Margaret Nicol is....M.S.Sloan. The certificate also has the date of Margaret and John's marriage as 24th August, 1853, in Paisley.

Perhaps I have the wrong John Nicol,or  some of the children I have attributed to John & Margaret are incorrect?These are the children I have listed of John & Margaret:James,John,Thomas Douglas,Margaret Bisset,Elizabeth & Jane Mary.

Really appreciating your help on this one.
David

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Hi again Kay,
The information from the Bible confirms that I have the correct Margaret Sloan(doesn`t it?)so I gather from your information that I have attributed the wrong children to them(except for Jane(Mary) Nicol.
Regards
David

[Kay99]

The bible confirms that Margaret Sloan married John Nicol pre 1861 but the Margaret Sloan born in Stair in 1833 was still living at home in 1861 as below from Ambly's post

"CENSUS 1861 At: 26 Burnside Street, St George Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Ref: Parish 644/7, ED 51, Page 3
Head: James SLOAN 58, Joiner, b Stair, Ayr (abt 1803)
Wife: Mrs James 57, b Stair, Ayr (abt 1804)
Dau: Margaret SLOAN 28,  b Stair, Ayr (abt 1833)
Dau: Ann SLOAN 25, b Stair, Ayr (abt 1836)
Son: John SLOAN  21, Teacher Of Mathematical?, b Stair, Ayr (abt 1840)
Son: William W SLOAN 18, Student, b Glasgow (abt 1843) "

So the Margaret Sloan that John Nicol married pre 1861 would not have been the Margaret born 1833 in Stair so she must have been born elsewhere.

Using Jane's birth you gave from the bible in 1865 I think this is the right family in 1871 living at  Main Street Grindlays House, Kilsyth  after John's death with Margaret listed as born about 1835 in Kennap, Renfrewshire

Margaret Nicol    36 Housekeeper Hour b Kennap, Renfrewshire
William Nicol 15 b Barrhead
John Nicol    13  b Kilsyth
Thomas Nicol 12  b Kilsyth
Margaret Nicol 9  b Kilsyth
Elizabeth Nicol 8  b Kilsyth
Jane Nicol    5 b Kilsyth

I think by 1881 the widowed Margaret Nicol had remarried under her maiden name and was living at 55 Tylefield St, Glasgow with two of her children including Jane and two new ones from her marriage to Daniel. Margerat  is listed as born Linwood, Renfrewshire

Daniel Trealower 40  Fireman b Cruwel, England
Margaret Trealower 47 b Linwood, Renfrewshire
Elizabeth Nicoll    17  b Kilsyth, Stirlingshire
Jane Nicoll 15  b Kilsyth, Stirlingshire
Bennett Trealower 7  b Kilsyth, Stirlingshire
Daniel Trealower 5 b Glasgow

I had free credits for Scotlands People from this offer http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=745416.0;topicseen   so I checked the marriage for Margaret and Daniel Trealower and attach an extract They married on 22 Aug 1871 at Kilsyth and Margaret lists herself as a widow with parents both deceased as Thomas Sloan (pedlar) and Martha Sloan maiden name Douglas

Looking for Margaret Sloan in 1851 premarriage to John Nicol with parents Thomas and Martha this could be her living at Main Street Reid's Land, Linwood,Renfrewshire.  (The 1841 census for the same family lists Margaret as born in Scotland)

Thomas Sloan    60 Former Ag Worker b Ireland
Martha Sloan 56 b Ireland
Margaret Sloan    20 b Ireland
Thomas Sloan    16 b Linwood, Renfrewshire

The 1861 census for parents Thomas Sloan and Martha in Kilsyth lists them both as born in Belfast,Ireland and Thomas as a Pedlar

I do hope this isn't too confusing

Kay

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Dear Kay99,
I am a bit confused, but think I will be able to follow. Other than for Jane I obviously have the wrong children attached to Margaret and John Nicoll .  However, after I amend and replace the existing Margaret and children with those given by you, do I have the correct John Nicholl. ? The John I currently have attached to Margaret was born Dec 1827 in Dundee, Angus/died Jan 20 1867 with father James married to Margaret Bisset.

Thanks for all your help Kay-I`m finally getting it correct as I knew something was wrong  but couldn`t find any details which was why I contacted Rootsweb.
Regards,
David

[Kay99]

I am just glad it made sense.  I still think that this is the family in 1861 with the Thomas D Nicol you already had and Margaret Bisset Nicol born early 1861 so many of the children tie into the ones you had originally

John Nicoll    32  Hairdresser b Dundee Forfarshire
Margt Nicoll  b Kilbarcha, Renfrew
William Nicoll 7  b Neilston, Renfrew
Martha Nicoll 6 b Neilston, Renfrew
John Nicoll    3  Kilsyth, Stirlingshire
Thomas D Nicoll    1 b Kilsyth, Stirlingshire
Margt B Nicoll    1 Month b Kilsyth, Stirlingshire

Looking at both 1861 and 1871 census the children would appear to be William 1854, Martha1855, James 1856, John 1857, Thomas Douglas 1859, Margaret Bisset Nicol 1861, Elizabeth 1863, and Jane 1865  - I think this mostly ties up with your list!

The John Nicol you have looks fine and his mother's maiden name as Bisset becomes his daughter's Margaret Bisset's middle name   Always useful

Good Luck Kay

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Good one Kay, and thanks again for everything.
Best wishes,
David