Look-Up: Fate of Mrs Jeanie Buchanan (nee Henry) and Child

[cando]

With respect, Sue, I have provided enough details within the body of this thread for someone
to check the Census records in Ireland for the HENRY family of Culnady.

Marriage Jeannie Henry & Andrew Buchanan,
23 December 1897.

Jean/Jeanie/Jeannie HENRY 
Age: 37
Est year of birth: 1861[/b]

Residence: Grey-street, East Melbourne, Victoria, Aus.
Birthplace: Culnady, Co Derry.
Father: William HENRY (father)
Mother: Jane TOMB[/b]

Now would that be the village of Culnady or another village in the townland Culnady in Co Londonderry?

Does the bride's father have an occupation?

Although the first government organised census in Ireland was carried out in 1821 and a census was taken every ten years until 1911, the Enumerators’ Returns which contain details of the members of each family for all places in Ireland, only survive for the years 1901 and 1911.

I would suggest you post all the details from the marriage certificate.  Surely that is not an onerous task.

You can search the Victorian passenger lists at PROV for her arrival.
http://prov.vic.gov.au/research/ships-and-shipping

Cando

[sparrett]

Or you can search for Jane's departure if she left Australia after her husband's burial.

http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=42

 

These details from the marriage certificate of Jeannie Henry & Andrew Buchanan,
23 December 1897.

Jean/Jeanie/Jeannie HENRY 
Age: 37
Est year of birth: 1861
Residence: Grey-street, East Melbourne, Victoria, Aus.
Birthplace: Culnady, Co Derry.
Father: William HENRY (father)
Mother: Jane TOMB

Jeanie is stated as being the youngest daughter.  What I haven't been able to establish is whether she immigrated to Australia as an adult with other adult siblings (after their parents had died in Ireland); or had emigrated (as a child) with her parents as a family group.

You state   Jane was the youngest daughter of William HENRY and Jane (nee TOMB). This information is not from a marriage certificate.  The newspaper clip perhaps?

You mention siblings to Jane.  Can you name them to help us along, please, regarding your immigration query?

Sue

[lostredsock]

My ability to get to a public library to access their genealogy resources has become somewhat restricted due to illness, so I would really appreciate any assistance at this time.

Everyone, heads up: the above is what I wrote when I started this thread. I'm quite good myself at finding people on the flimsiest of clues and it is onerous to bring researchers in here up to speed; I'm starting to appreciate what I had been warned about with chemobrain. 

If I am coming across as cranky, then I apologise.


Sue,

I notice the slight discrepancy between the birthplace for Jeanie Henry as mentioned in the family notice I had sourced from TROVE and what appears on the marriage certificate itself:

BUCHANAN - HENRY - On 23rd December,1897
at Scots Church, Collins-street, Melbourne, by the Rev. Dr. Marshall, Andrew Buchanan, eldest son of Andrew Buchanan of Blackwood, to Jeanie Henry, youngest daughter of the late William Henry, of Culnady, Co Derry, Ireland.

From the marriage certificate, these are the details about Jeanie Henry:

Name: Jeanie HENRY
Spinster
Birthplace:  Culnady, Ireland
Occupation: Saleswoman.
Age: 37
Parents:-
Thomas Henry, Farmer
Jane Tomb

The two witnesses were from the Buchanan side who I had researched a few years back.

I caught of glimpse of this record that suggests this is elder sister of Jeanie, going by the mothers name, which stands out (at least to my aussie eyes).

IG Record 27683
HENRY Margaret Ann William HENRY Jane HENRY nee TOMB Culnady Maghera Loughinsholin Londonderry 1920 - Mrs Margaret Ann Wilson, Culnady, Upperlands, Londonderry. Born about 16 June 1850. 1851 John 4yrs 5mos, James 3, Margaret A. 2.....

http://www.ireland-genealogy.com/view_category/Page-393.html

That's all I can pull up with my old home computer with it's outdated browser and dial-up connection.  Cue the violins! 

Thanks Sue.


Update:
Just checked the Probate documents that state Mrs Jeanie Buchanan (widow) was living in Douglas-street, Toorak Melbourne, from Sept 1903.  This street was also where Toorak College, a boys school from 1874-1918 was situated.  Her son, Andrew Henry Buchanan, may been a boarder there?

[majm]

Ooh, I didn't know there was a free-to-search website!  I have just
found him (and several other kinfolk):

Andrew Henry #28193 to Andrew and Jeannie (Henry) Buchanan 1899

Thank you so much for that tip.

 

Did you notice if Jeannie re-married in Victoria?  If so, was she consistent with the info she provided about herself to the clergy?   

What was her usual address as per her marriage cert to Andrew? Perhaps she had returned to that address after her husband's death, perhaps the Douglas St address was where other family members or inlaws lived.   What denomination for her marriage to Andrew Buchanan?  Perhaps there's further information in the parish or diocese records? 

I doubt Andrew was a boarder at Toorak College, as it was converted to a Girl School in 1897, so it became a Girls School several years before his birth.  (See PS below)

Did you try Sue's tip? 

Or you can search for Jane's departure if she left Australia after her husband's burial.

http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=42

 

These details from the marriage certificate of Jeannie Henry & Andrew Buchanan,
23 December 1897.

Jean/Jeanie/Jeannie HENRY 
Age: 37
Est year of birth: 1861
Residence: Grey-street, East Melbourne, Victoria, Aus.
Birthplace: Culnady, Co Derry.
Father: William HENRY (father)
Mother: Jane TOMB

Jeanie is stated as being the youngest daughter.  What I haven't been able to establish is whether she immigrated to Australia as an adult with other adult siblings (after their parents had died in Ireland); or had emigrated (as a child) with her parents as a family group.

You state   Jane was the youngest daughter of William HENRY and Jane (nee TOMB). This information is not from a marriage certificate.  The newspaper clip perhaps?

You mention siblings to Jane.  Can you name them to help us along, please, regarding your immigration query?

Sue

Cheers,  JM

PS here's the Toorak College info 

http://www.toorakcollege.vic.edu.au/why-toorak/our-school/toorak-college-history

So why is a school in Mount Eliza called Toorak College?

Toorak College was first established in 1874 as a boys’ school in the Melbourne suburb of Toorak. In 1897, Toorak College was converted into a girls’ school by its first female Principal, Miss Margaret Tripp. In 1919, we moved to more spacious buildings and grounds on Glenferrie Road.

Update:
Just checked the Probate documents that state Mrs Jeanie Buchanan (widow) was living in Douglas-street, Toorak Melbourne, from Sept 1903.  This street was also where Toorak College, a boys school from 1874-1918 was situated.  Her son, Andrew Henry Buchanan, may been a boarder there?

[lostredsock]

What is in no doubt, Jeanie Henry has been recorded in at least three different countries:

1860 Culnady Ireland
1897 Melbourne, Australia
1903 Pretoria, Transvaal Colony, Sth Africa

then she's back in Melbourne by close of 1903.

What was her usual address as per her marriage cert to Andrew? I had provided that
information.  Here it is again: Residence: Grey-street, East Melbourne, Victoria, Aus.

I'm very familiar with Grey-street, East Melbourne. My aunt lived there (she was Andrew's great niece) and according to the records of the East Melbourne Historical Society, there were several hostels, boarding houses, etc.    http://emhs.org.au/


Still searching on that Outward Passengers prov link and ditto with a re-marriage in Victoria. 


Jeanie could have had a second or even third child in Pretoria....the worms in this can just keep on getting wrigglier. 

[majm]

What was her usual address as per her marriage cert to Andrew? I had provided that
information.  Here it is again: Residence: Grey-street, East Melbourne, Victoria, Aus.

I had thought perhaps that was the residence of the Groom ..... I can see now that your post is to be read as the Residence of the Bride.  I have not ever seen a Victoria BDM marriage where there's three different spellings for the given name of the Bride.  I now realise you have not posted all the details from the image of that marriage certificate, despite it being available for any member of the general public to download from Vic BDM on payment of their usual fees. 

You mentioned earlier about Mission work for Andrew and Jeanie .... in South Africa .... can you provide further information .... which denomination,  how long were they there, did they receive training prior to or once they arrived, as perhaps Jeanie returned to the Missionary Society after settling the deceased estate matters.

Cheers,  JM

[lostredsock]

I did pay the fees to download the marriage certificate from BDM. 

Thankyou for your help, JM.

[majm]

I did pay the fees to download the marriage certificate from BDM. 

Thankyou for your help, JM.

I was not suggesting you had avoided paying those fees, but I am concerned that some of the experienced RChatters with much better understanding of the Victorian records from that era than me would need to spend their own money to help you to advance your quest, as they have asked a question about that marriage certificate that you have ready access to.   The analysis of Vic BDMs by those experienced RChatters can be remarkable. 

Cheers,  JM

[lostredsock]

I would think the experienced RChatters in here wouldn't be so silly as to dole out their own money for BDM records that don't pertain to their own genealogy...

You concern is duly noted. 

http://blog.eogn.com/2015/04/04/i-have-a-complaint-concerning-many-genealogists/


I stated this in my first post which I'll repeat here as it seems to have been overlooked:

Since December 2008, I have been working on a Fletcher/Nicholson/Hook/Buchanan/Hoare/Pope tree at tribalpages.  Send me a PM for an invitation to view it.  There are a lot of other names as I've been working the marital connections and side-lines.