Thanks for looking up info re James & Abraham Slack. I don't think the James & Abraham are the ones I am looking for, although I do agree they were born about the time I am looking at. On the census forms it states Tytherington , and there father is a farmer. I have searched this line and don't thin k this is them. I do have James' marriage cert, when he married Margaret Kemp in 1854 and on it it says that his father is also called James and he is a labourer. I am now getting frustrated with the search, but don't like giving up, as I would love to go further back but with his place of birth and his mother and father quite illusive I will keep plodding on.