John KIRKLAND family from Govan Lanarkshire

[peterspark]

I need help locating my John Kirkland in Scotland.
He and his wife seem to have disappeared after 1891.
my John Kirkland was born in 1861 in Govan Lanarkshire to John Kirkland and Marion Spark
He married Mary Campbell in 1884 in Greenock, Renfrewshire.
They had one son John Spark(e) Kirkland in 1888 in Govan Lanark Scotland.
John was with his son John at his parents place on the 1891 census.
Mary was a domestic servant at her employers house also in Lanark.
They can not be found on the 1901 census.
John Spark Kirkland was found still living with his grandparents on this census and was the informant on the death of both grandparents who died in 1906.
In 1913 when John spark Kirkland married he said his parents were both deceased. I havent been able to find a correct death for either John Kirkland (1861) or Mary Kirkland (nee Campbell) (1865) anywhere. HELP anyone who can locate their deaths or on any census.

[doddsie4]

     On the 1911 census, there is a John Spark Kirkland at 234 Langlands Road, Govan.     The census reads like this:

     James Kirkland, aged 43, Head.
     John Spark Kirkland, aged 22, Nephew.
     John Kirkland Buchanan, aged 16 [The name Buchanan is badly written, difficult to make out and may be something other than Buchanan, so there is a mystery here]
     Henry Pierce White, 23, Lodger.

     Now, John Spark Kirkland was either an Engineer at the shipyards, or a Shipping Clerk at the shipyards.     The entries here are unclear as to whether they refer to the person above or below, because they are written halfway between the two, if you see what I mean.

     There is a Mary Jane Kirkland who died July 5th 1912.   ...She was married to John Kirkland, a Coal Miner, and she died aged 23 at Meadowhead Road, Wishaw.     Her parents were: James Campbell, Coal Miner and Catherine Boyle (deceased).      The informant for the death of Mary Jane Kirkland was John Kirkland, Widower.

     So, if I am on the right track, John Kirkland, her husband, was still alive in July 1912 when Mary Jane died.     I suggest that you look for John Kirkland's death at Wishaw, Lanarkshire sometime after 1912.   

     Hope this helps you out a bit.

[peterspark]

thank you for that. Interesting to see John spark Kirkland at his Uncle's house. I suppose his grandparents died in 1906 so I assume then he didnt have anywhere to live.

re Mary Jane kirkland - unfortunately it is not my Mary Kirkland nee campbell. Sounded great but she was born in 1865 - so in 1912 would have been 47 and not 23.

So I will have to continue to look for her. She was found in 1891 census but lost after that. Her son John spark Kirkland said she was deceased by 1913. Whether she was or not I do not know. It is possible she took up with someone else after 1891 and thereby changed names.  I cant seem to find a relevant Mary kirkland born in 1865 in Greenock dying anywhere after 1891 and before 1913. 

it seems possible that her husband took up with another person in 1907 and was found living in England in 1901 and 1911.  I havent verified that this is him yet but I will find out soon. (death certificate to come to show hopefully the right parents) .
So mary is still a mystery. Her father was a Donald Campbell and an Annie McNaughton (noted as maiden name Campbell?) both deceased by 1884.
cheers
peter

[mclachlan]

Hi Peter,

I just wanted to check if the 1901 and 1911 English census for John Kirkland was the same as the one I found.  Wife is Maggie (nee Wilson), born in Chryston, Dumbartonshire and children John and Edith McLaren.  They are living with Maggie's parents in 1901 at 75 Livingstone St, Birkenhead and at 9 Chapel Street, Birkenhead in 1911. 

Sounds like a good match so hopefully your death certificate for John will confirm this!

Andrea

[peterspark]

i hope it will otherwise back to square one.  Yes I found this John with Maggie and two step children and stated they had been married 4 years. Unfortunately can not locate any marriage between them around 1907 and maybe his first wife Mary was still alive.

Maggie's first husband died in 1898/1899 so she was a widow in 1901. I did find a John Kirkland as a boarder aged 40 in 1901 in Liverpool and noted as a Merchantile Clerk.  this matches in with known census records when he was living with his parents in 1891 and his marriage certificate in 1884.

So only leaves Mary Kirkland nee Campbell missing after 1891.

thank you