Frances Mathew born 1771 in Edingale and her daughter Phoebe

[ProvincialNotesDave]

Not sure if you are still researching this?

Martin Farnell was the eldest of four brothers that owned the Ashby-de-la-Zouch Bank (1790-1805).
Joseph died in 1802 and John between his will dated 13th April 1803, and probate on 25th August 1804. Martin was declared bankrupt the following March. Maybe these two deaths close together caused the problems in the Bank. Thomas was the fourth and youngest brother.

In Martin's will dated 15th November 1815, it states "until my adopted daughter Phoebe Farnell or usually so called (a child of my said wife before my marriage with her) shall attain the age of twenty one". Therefore she must have been born after 1794.

If you also check the Frances signature on their marriage Banns it clearly shows the surname as double T and S MATTHEWS.

Hope this helps

[ProvincialNotesDave]

Further to my post a few minutes ago;
I just found an entry on Ancestry.co.uk as follows

Phoebe MACHER Derbyshire 9 July 1796 (Lullington);

July 9 Baptized Phoebe Spurious Daughter of Frances (looks like Milkshake ) but if you know what you're looking for you can make it out to be Matthews (the ws on the end is very faint).

Archaic meaning of Spurious (in offspring) illegitimate.

Regards,
Dave

[trish1120]

Thats interesting Dave as I posted it in 2016 as;

Phoebe MATTHORN, 9 May 1796, Derbyshire
Mother FRANCIS Matthorn
(Source Familysearch.Org)

I had a good laugh with your description of milkshake

I also noticed on FreeREG a Marriage;
Susannah FARNELL of Ashby co Leic
Charles HOLLAND
29 Dec 1803 All Saints, Derby



Trish

[Aks]

Thank you Dave and Trish. Sorry to be slow in responding.

Yes, I have Phoebe born in May 1796 in Lullington and Frances born in 1771 in Edingale. Thank you for the information about the 4 brothers and two of them dying just before Martin declared bankruptcy. Was "Ashby-de-la-Zouch Bank" the name of the bank? Perhaps, as you say, that played a role. I've always kind of imagined that Martin overreached himself, but I don't really know. I didn't realise until I read his will that Phoebe (my 4th g grandmother) was his adopted daughter, and with it went my chance of having at least one somewhat illustrious ancestor, since he was high sheriff of Derbyshire in 1789. I guess I'll never know who Phoebe's father was.

By any chance, do either of you know if a certain genealogical website has published the parish records for Coton-in-the-Elms?

All the best,

Alan

[trish1120]

Have you tried FreeREG Allan?

[Aks]

Thank you Trish. They don't appear to be on freereg. Was told a couple of years ago they would be coming soon on a certain paid website, but not sure if they have. Happy Christmas to you! 

[trish1120]

Merry Christmas to you also.

Hopefully those records will appear on that site for you soon

[BumbleB]

Parish records for Coton in the Elms only date from 1846 -

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DBY/CotonintheElms

[BumbleB]

Staffordshire Records Office do not hold Coton in the Elms church records, but they hold the following for Lullington.

Lullington - BT's - baptisms 1662-1868, marriages 1662-1831, burials 1662-1868.  Baptisms and burials missing 1832-1867.