Frances Mathew born 1771 in Edingale and her daughter Phoebe

[Aks]

I have for a long time on a back burner to track down details of my ancestor, Frances Mathew, born 1771 in Edingale, Staffordshire. I believe she was christened there on 24 February 1771. It would be very interesting to have her birth or baptism record.

Of even greater interest would be the birth or baptism of her daughter, Phoebe Mathew(s), born about 1796, possibly in Edingale, possibly in neighbouring Lullington or Coton-in-the-elms.

Phoebe is listed as Phoebe Farnell at her marriage (to Thomas Rochford in 1816), following Frances' marriage to Martin Farnell in Lullington in 1805. However, in his will, Martin clearly indicates Phoebe to be the daughter of his wife, Frances Mathew, from before their marriage. I think that Frances was not married when she had Phoebe, which is why I think her maiden name is Mathew, but I cannot be absolutely sure of this.

I hope this makes sense to anyone who might have the time to do a lookup. I was always hoping to get over to the England and go to the Lichfield record office, but so far haven't been able to, and thought that something might have come on-line by now.

[keyboard86]

Hi the record you have for Frances, 24th February 1771 at Holy Trinity, Edingale is with parents George/Eliz correct?
Keyboard86

[Aks]

Yes, Keyboard86, that's what I think is her. Thanks, Alan.

[trish1120]

Possible?

Phoebe MATTHORN, 9 May 1796, Derbyshire
Mother FRANCIS Matthorn
(Source Familysearch.Org)

[trish1120]

GEORGE/ELIZABETH Baptised Holy Trinity, Edingale, Staffordshire
SUSANNAH, 12 Jan 1765
JANE, 12 June 1766
LIDIA, 15 Sept 1767
CATHERINE, 9 April 1769
FRANCES, 24 Feb 1771
ROBERT, 20 Sept 1772
(FreeREG)

JOHN BACHE Matthew was Baptised same Church 12 April 1789, Mother JANE Matthew (base son)
(FreeREG)

George MATTHEWS married Elizabeth BATT or PRATT,  26 October 1761, Edingale, Stafford, England
(Familysearch.Org)

F/S has these Children to them which arent on FreeREG;
ANN, 19 Sept 1762
JOSEPH, 19 Sept 1763
HANNAH, 31 July 1774

I see Phoebe Rochford died before 1841 Census in Warwickshire.
So as she is not on 1841/1851 Census her pob cant be confirmed.

I think the 1796 Baptism is likely her though.

[BumbleB]

The three baptisms on FS but not on FreeREG are showing on the images for Edingale on FindMyPast, but Joseph was baptised 19 November 1763.  All are shown as children of George and Elizabeth.

[BumbleB]

A little more information on the marriage:

George Mathews of this parish, Husbandman, and Elizabeth Batt of the parish of Clifton Campville, spinster, by Licence (which doesn't seem to have survived).  I can see where the confusion of Elizabeth's surname arises - it is clearly Batt in the first instance, but where she might have signed (she actually made her mark) there appears to be an "h" at the end of the name - so Batt h 

[BumbleB]

George appears to be the son of another George, with wife Elizabeth 

There is a baptism and burial for George, son of George and Elizabeth at Edingdale in 1744, and then a baptism for George, son of George and Elizabeth on 8 August 1745.

[Aks]

Thank you Trish and BumbleB. I'm having difficulty digesting this (not thinking straight today!). Will cross-check with my records and then post again. Thank you very much.