manchester 'railway coy' search?

[lasswade]

hello all,

Thanks for the replies... and I look forward to the photos and research. There seemed to be so many railway companies in Manchester at the time that I did not know where to start. I was also unable to find any record on Ancestry.

I had hoped to find some info on Amy Lucy Barlow, DOB, etc. She was unknown to me until I saw that census and I cannot find any BMD records on her. If she was Arthur Gaw's sister-in-law, she had to be Edith Maud Gaw (Barlow)'s sister.

The original 1911 census scan looks very clear, I cannot imagine it being an error.

Edith's parents were Thomas Barlow and Alice Shorrocks - their history is quite chequered as they were often foul of the law in the late 1880s.

Can anyone suggest where else to look?

Thanks for the help, Bea.

[heywood]

This is an aside really.
There is a tree which has a Thomas Leopold Barlow as a brother to Edith Maud but his father is not Thomas. The tree might be yours.
Do you have Thomas' birth certificate?

In the meantime, I will continue looking for Amy Lucy.

When you say they fell foul of the law, do you have any dates or areas to place them.

[heywood]

There is a baptism for Amy Lucy Barlow 9 months in September 1891 at Redbank Wesleyan Methodist, Cheetham, Manchester with parents John and Alice.
The address is Tranmere, Cheshire 

Not sure re this.

[heywood]

I found the 1883 offences.

Do you have any of the family in 1891 and 1901?

I see John Frederick Barlow gives his aunt Elizabeth as next of kin when he joins up as a boy soldier and she is in the Workhouse.

[heywood]

Hello again,

I have looked at previous posts and Thomas' military record where he gives his sister's address as Thorpe Rd.
As Edith gives her father as Thomas, a soldier and Thomas gives his father as John, a Bricklayer perhaps they both didn't want to acknowledge him for some reason.
I do wonder then about the baptism of Amy Lucy with parents John and Alice. Maybe, Thomas is using a different name or by that time Alice is alone.
I think you say, you have the siblings in 1891. Where are they please?

Heywood

[lasswade]

hello Heywood, and thank you for all your searching...

I have been unable to positively locate the siblings in 1891, but  there are some possibles.

There is 1 John Barlow, a boarder and grocer in Ardwick, and I found an Edith Maud in Cheshire, living with 2 Misses Molyneaux, I think Edith was described as a niece but now I cannot find it again. You mentioned Cheshire, about Amy Lucy?

Thomas Leopold is unfindable, heaven knows where he was. He was born in Crumpsall Workhouse, 1886, and disappears again in the census until 1901, where it seems he was in the Tulketh Home for Working Catholic Boys.

I lost track also of the parents, Thomas Snr.and Alice, except in 1891 there was an Alice Barlow in 126 Charter St, St George. She was listed as a wife and a charwoman and the age is correct. Between gaol times, they spent some time in different workhouses. The name of Thomas Barlow comes up many times in later workhouse records, but it's such a common name, I cannot feel sure.

Thomas Barlow (the father) was the son of John Barlow, and perhaps used his name after the disgrace of the crimes. This makes sense to me. I noticed that both Edith and Thomas Jnr. denied him on their marriage certificates. He was in fact a bookbinder, not a bricklayer or a soldier. I have not been able to trace him beyond his last conviction.

I saw that note on Thomas Jnr.'s attestation, giving his sister's address - does that mean he was living at the same place? This makes me think the children must have had knowledge of each other, I had sort of imagined them scattered and homeless through their parents' troubles.

I think it must be my tree showing Thomas Leopold, but his father is listed as Thomas and his mother as Alice Shorrocks.

I have the later details of the children's marriages and family, but Amy Lucy is new.

All the best, Bea.

[heywood]

Hello Bea,

Yes I think Thomas' sister's address would be his last address/next of kin.

I was glad to see that you had the birth certificate with Alice's name as the newspaper report gives a couple of aliases for her which made me doubt the Shorrocks marriage info.

I have checked the address re Amy for 1891 and will do so again but I think it was a single occupant, an Irish lady.

I had also seen the reference to the Catholic home for Thomas but not sure - why Catholic? Why Preston? There is, I think I also  a Manchester Barlow family in Preston ** just checked they don't have a son Thomas so that one still in the running!

I also saw that Edith with two aunts but it is Upholland and I think she was born there so possibly not her. ** just checked- definitely not her. She is in 1881 with her family.

I have looked for Aunt Elizabeth but lose her too after a couple of censuses!

They did seem to like hiding. 

[lasswade]

Hi Heywood,

I think they hide from crime, easier to do then than now.

Thomas a Catholic? Maybe because as a Protestant he would not have been admitted and I believe at 14 years old he may have had nowhere to be.

Tomas was adaptable, at least he made his circumstances sometimes adapt to his requirements.  The surgeon's errand boy part of the census rings true, he always had an interest in how medicine worked and seemed to profess and pursue a little medical knowledge.

Family info also said that he spent time in an institution with Catholic brothers - not a happy time at all. It was either there or at the workhouse the inmates were fed a type rice pudding before dinner so they were so full they did not miss a reasonable meal. All hearsay of course.

This family had an Aunt Elizabeth - I saw that census entry but didn't connect the address with a workhouse. Elizzabeth was the sister of Thomas Snr who married Alice. I have not yet begun on Th. Snr's siblings but will after Easter.

I am very grateful for your help,

Bea.

[Sean William Liddell]

Baptism: 26 Oct 1845 Edgworth Wesleyan Methodist Church, Edgworth, Lancs.
Thomas Barlow - [Child] of James Barlow & Alice
    Abode: Edgworth
    Notes: Age when Baptized seven weeks & 3 days
    Baptised by: Isaac Denison
    Register: Baptisms 1845 - 1882, Page 8, Entry 14
    Source: LDS Film 1966747