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Samuel Cox b1878 - Boer war or ww1? also which regiment?
« on: Wednesday 16 March 16 09:27 GMT (UK) »
Trying to research Samuel Cox b1878 in shoreditch.
Are these photos from the Boer war or WW1, and which regiment he was in?
Having trouble to find records for him.

In the large group photo he is bottom, 5th from left.

In the photo with the rabbits he is the man caring the buckets.

Any information really appreciated!
Cowell - Thanet, Kent, England
Jenner - London, England
Peebles - Glasgow/Lanarkshire, Scotland
Shoosmith - Sussex & Ramsgate, Kent, England
Pierce - London/Kent
Goodman - London, England
Redford - London, England

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Re: Samuel Cox b1878 - Boer war or ww1? also which regiment?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 16 March 16 10:09 GMT (UK) »
I have the feeling that it is too late for Boer War.    Could be wrong.   ;)

My guess is more like WW1.  Got nothing to back up my guess - other than the look of the photo.  ;)

And he looks older than 20-22 in thess photos - more like late 30s-40s - I think.

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Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Samuel Cox b1878 - Boer war or ww1? also which regiment?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 16 March 16 10:28 GMT (UK) »
I agree with Wiggy, it looks to be around WW1. The cap bade is too indistinct to tell for certain, the shape looks as if the it could be the Army Service Corps.

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CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: Samuel Cox b1878 - Boer war or ww1? also which regiment?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 16 March 16 11:17 GMT (UK) »
my thoughts were for them to be more WW1 date too.
Cowell - Thanet, Kent, England
Jenner - London, England
Peebles - Glasgow/Lanarkshire, Scotland
Shoosmith - Sussex & Ramsgate, Kent, England
Pierce - London/Kent
Goodman - London, England
Redford - London, England


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Re: Samuel Cox b1878 - Boer war or ww1? also which regiment?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 16 March 16 18:06 GMT (UK) »
Certainly post 1908 & looks like an annual camp. So he may have been a Reservist if previously in the Army or a Territorial.
What was his trade or calling?
Did he have a middle name?
These guys look like butchers/caterers so ASC looks a possibility.
The group photo has men of different Regt's.
Can we have a high res scan of just his cap badge?
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
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Re: Samuel Cox b1878 - Boer war or ww1? also which regiment?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 17 March 16 10:42 GMT (UK) »
The first photograph is just after WW1. One of the men standing has four wound stripes on his lower left arm. Also about half are showing what looks like one ribbon. Which will be for the 1914 or 1914-15 Star. These were issued about a year before the British War Medal and Victory Medal, which were announced after the Armistice. Probably before 1922 as regiments started to wear collar badges again then.

The cap badges look to be a mixture. Maybe a divisional cooking party including all cooks from the various units that make up the division.

The soft cap was issued mid WW1. But I see the tall man - same as the mounted man (?) - has kept his stiff cap. As has the staff sergeant in the second photograph. Agree that these are probably ASC. They wore this style of bandolier.

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Re: Samuel Cox b1878 - Boer war or ww1? also which regiment?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 18 March 16 19:20 GMT (UK) »
Good evening,

The different cap badges may mean it is a training unit for regt'l cooks.

All mounted units wore the same bandolier apart from the start of the war when some may still have had the older non clip loading rifles. The only difference, which you can't see from the front, is whether they are 50 or 90 rd bandoliers. Each pouch holds 2 clips of 5 rds, the 90 rd version has 4 pouches at the back out of sight.

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