Help with identifying WW1 sodier's parents:

[andycadman]

I am doing some research into the story behind the Soldiers who are named on our village war memorial (Ironville & Codnor Park). At the moment I am trying to find out more about this soldier:
Lance Corporal 14236
15th Bn., Sherwood Foresters (Notts and Derby Regiment).
Died Tuesday 1st October 1918.
Buried at Zandvoorde Cemetery, Belgium.
Grave ref. II.B.24.

The UK, Army Registers of Soldiers' Effects, 1901-1929 for Gilbert Tom Bogg   1914-1915
Hounslow 422501-424000 states that his effects should go to Florence Campanelle (see attached file).

I have so far drawn a blank on the 1911 census. if anyone can provide some help with this it would be really appreciated.

[Mean_genie]

1911 census details removed.

The 1911 census policy here hasn't changed

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=355486.0


But the baptism register for St Cyprian, Salford has the baptism of William Fred, son of John and FLORENCE Campanelle, 77 New Park Road, born 29 March, baptised 30 April 1911. There is a marriage of Givonni Campanelle to Florence May Ball in the Sept quarter of 1908, Salford 8d 51. So I believe we have found Mrs Florence Campanelle, but how she was related to Edward Broome is another matter!

[andycadman]

Many thanks for you help Mean_genie.  This has hopefully taken us a step closer.

However,  as you say how is she related to Edward Broom and how does this link to the Ironville & Codnor Park war memorial?

It is a real conundrum.

If any one can help again it would be really appreciated. Is it possible to break through this brick wall? 

[BradfordPal]

UK Soldiers Who Died in the Great War has Edward Broome's birthplace as Chesterton, Staffs. That he enlisted in Derby and was residing at Weaste, Lancs which appears to be part of Salford. So that brings the two people closer together geographically but nowhere near Ironville and Codnor I fear.

Martin

[BradfordPal]

There is a William Edward Broome a Puddler born Chesterton 1890  in 1911 census. 

The previous entry (for a Joseph Gardner) says 262, Fletchers Row, IRONVILLE.

Martin

Moderator comment: please do not post information from the 1911 census that cannot be found through the free searches

[andycadman]

That's brilliant Martin. You have established a link with Ironville. Thank you so much.

However, can we find out who Edward Brooms parents were and what is the link with Florence M Campanelle who he left his effects to?

[BradfordPal]

This is only a possibility but in the 1891 Census there is a William Broome born 1890 at Fenton living with his married sister at 63 Raymond Street, Shelton, Stoke on Trent.  Fenton is a few miles away from Chesterton on the other side of Stoke on Trent.

He is there with his mother and six siblings a number of them including his married sister born in Chesterton. His mother Annie Broome b. Stoke 1849 is shown as married but no husband at that address.

Going back to 1881 Census the family are living at 11 Pump Street, Stoke. Father Edwin Broom (note spelling) born abt. 1852. In 1891 Edwin is a boarder in Audley, Staffs. Edwin is Alice's second husband (there is a step daughter Alice Ann Kimberlin b Chesterton).

Now someone else really does need to check that for you but as far as I can tell Edward's parents are Edwin and Annie Broom/Broome.

Martin

[BradfordPal]

Florence M Campanelle nee Ball is a bit of a mystery.  She is NOT a close relative of Edward Broome or it would say so on the Register of Effects i.e. Aunt: Sole Leg: Sis: Sole Leg: etc., it doesn't it just gives her name so she is not a relation.  That makes her some kind of friend that he has left everything to.

She was born in Dudley, Staffordshire in abt 1887 and at some point she and her sister Lizzie Ball have been adopted by William and Anne Shaw.  She was married as Mean_genie says in 1908 to Giovanni Campanelle in Salford.  Her adoptive mother ran her own restaurant and her Italian husband who appears to be 20 years her senior ran his own coffee bar. 

By 1914 she is 27 years old with five children and goes on to have a sixth child (also Florence M) in 1917.  There is a death shown for a John Campanelle in 1917 in Salford but his age is shown as 38 where Florence's husband is shown as being 43 in 1911. But this could be him as ages were often changed or put down incorrectly.

She and Edward probably lived within a mile of each other at some point and it is credible to believe that they could have met either in the coffee bar or the restaurant.  By 1917 there is a possibility that she is a young widow age 30 with 6 children one of them newly born.  Maybe they met and Edward took a shine to her or felt sorry for her plight and changed his will to leave everything to her should the worst happen to him.

But the fact is I have not been able to find any proof of a link between Edward and Florence and so why he should leave his legacy to her and not any of his brothers and sisters I don't really know.

Martin

[OurReg]

On the CWGC War Graves form L/Cpl E has 4 surnames attempts, starting with a typed 'Brown' which is crossed through and besides which is 'Brown' in ink.  Above these are 'Broom' in ink, crossed through and the uncrossed entry in ink is 'Broome'.
On the Burial Returns he is listed as Brown, identified by tag.

From the England and Wales Marriages, Florence M Campanelle married Andrew Brown 6B 1312 in 1917 (Q4) in Walsall, Staffordshire.

Is 'Brown' on the War Graves form just a coincidence to the 'Brown' that Florence married?