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Offline Lookin2

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Journeyman
« on: Sunday 13 March 16 16:36 GMT (UK) »
I understand that reaching Journeyman gives one the entitlement of having own business.   Is there anywhere I can read an official explanation of Journeyman and how were they awarded this title.  Thank you, Lookin2
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Re: Journeyman
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 13 March 16 16:40 GMT (UK) »
A JourneyMan has finished his Apprenticeship - its from the French Journee ... meaning Daily, ie Paid by the Day for his work.

Progression to running his own business, employing others (both JourneyMen & Apprentices) and being known as a Master would depend on many factors ... a search of the Internet will reveal more details ...

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Re: Journeyman
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 13 March 16 16:40 GMT (UK) »
A Journeyman is one who, having served his apprenticeship to a handicraft or trade, is qualified to work at it for days' wages; who has served his apprenticeship or learned a trade or handicraft, and works at it not on his own account but as the servant or employee of another; a qualified mechanic or artisan who works for another. Distinguished on one side from apprentice, on the other from master. OED
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Re: Journeyman
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 13 March 16 16:42 GMT (UK) »
A journeyman was originally employed and paid by the day as opposed to a 'master' who would have his own business where he could set his own rates and employ others.
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Re: Journeyman
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 13 March 16 16:43 GMT (UK) »
Good explanation on Wikipedia - just put "definition of Journeyman" into search engine and you will get several hits


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Re: Journeyman
« Reply #5 on: Monday 14 March 16 14:17 GMT (UK) »
Thank you all for responses.  I will take a look at Wikipedia for definition.  I would like to know if a certificate for the titles of Journeyman and Master were given  and who issued them.  I have never seen one.  Thank you once again.  Lookin2
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Re: Journeyman
« Reply #6 on: Monday 14 March 16 15:31 GMT (UK) »
Who granted the status would depend upon both trade and location.
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Re: Journeyman
« Reply #7 on: Monday 14 March 16 15:33 GMT (UK) »
As has been said a journeyman wasn't necessarily an ex-apprentice. As you get into the 19th.C. the name is more widely used to describe anyone who has received training in a particular skill.
An apprentice would have received a certificate on completion from his Guild as would a Master on application.
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Re: Journeyman
« Reply #8 on: Monday 14 March 16 18:42 GMT (UK) »
I understand that reaching Journeyman gives one the entitlement of having own business.   Is there anywhere I can read an official explanation of Journeyman and how were they awarded this title.  Thank you, Lookin2

Ah - the joys of real history, in all its glorious squidginess and imprecision.

The (exact) meaning of journeyman varied from guild to guild, period to period, and country to country.

Any single definition would need to be heavily hedged as to where/when/how it applied.

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