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Burial Record St Nicholas Church Liverpool
« on: Thursday 10 March 16 17:06 GMT (UK) »
Hi is it possible to find burial records St Nicholas Church Liverpool. My great grandmother Harriett Roche (previous marriage surname Hope nee Hubbard ) born Kent 1838. Home address at death 1911 70 Lloyd Street Everton Liverpool. I believe she was buried 23/12/1911 St Nicholas Church.
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COLBECK,WHITEHAVEN CUMBERLAND
COLEBECK,HOPE,MILLER,LIVERPOOL
SCHAMBERG,MEMMEL PRUSSIA
ROCHE,ROACH,MAHER,FOY IRELAND
SANDFORD.TYNAN, LIVERPOOL.
HUBBARD,TAYLOR KENT.
HOPE NORTHUMBERLAND
SANDFORD NEWCASTLE/UPON/TYNE.



LANCASTER,GOWLAND,NORTHUMBERLAND
FOY, ROSCOMMON IRELAND,LIVERPOOL.
SMITH,HAMPSHIRE, & LIVERPOOL
SEALES SURREY CRADDOCK,HAMPSHIRE

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Re: Burial Record St Nicholas Church Liverpool
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 10 March 16 17:20 GMT (UK) »
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My great grandmother Harriett Roche

Death reg spelt as Roache on FS

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2NT3-6L9
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Re: Burial Record St Nicholas Church Liverpool
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 10 March 16 17:29 GMT (UK) »
Buried 28th December at Walton Park (Rice Lane) Cemetary.  There is an annotation I can't quite make out at the side of the entry.  This is what it looks like

cg 686 21. O 10/-

I know the 10 is 10 shillings
Could O be the section and 21 the grave number???
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Re: Burial Record St Nicholas Church Liverpool
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 10 March 16 17:41 GMT (UK) »
Thank You Carol. I found record of place of burial Ancestry. ( St Nicholas Church ) Should have known better ( entries are not always correct ) O could be section and 21 grave number. Will see if I can find map of cemetery giving plot numbers.
COLBECK,WHITEHAVEN CUMBERLAND
COLEBECK,HOPE,MILLER,LIVERPOOL
SCHAMBERG,MEMMEL PRUSSIA
ROCHE,ROACH,MAHER,FOY IRELAND
SANDFORD.TYNAN, LIVERPOOL.
HUBBARD,TAYLOR KENT.
HOPE NORTHUMBERLAND
SANDFORD NEWCASTLE/UPON/TYNE.



LANCASTER,GOWLAND,NORTHUMBERLAND
FOY, ROSCOMMON IRELAND,LIVERPOOL.
SMITH,HAMPSHIRE, & LIVERPOOL
SEALES SURREY CRADDOCK,HAMPSHIRE


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Re: Burial Record St Nicholas Church Liverpool
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 12 March 16 13:56 GMT (UK) »
Walton Park is no longer a cemetery if you do a search on RootsChat Walton Park there are likely to be threads that discuss this site.


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Re: Burial Record St Nicholas Church Liverpool
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 12 March 16 14:12 GMT (UK) »
Thank You
COLBECK,WHITEHAVEN CUMBERLAND
COLEBECK,HOPE,MILLER,LIVERPOOL
SCHAMBERG,MEMMEL PRUSSIA
ROCHE,ROACH,MAHER,FOY IRELAND
SANDFORD.TYNAN, LIVERPOOL.
HUBBARD,TAYLOR KENT.
HOPE NORTHUMBERLAND
SANDFORD NEWCASTLE/UPON/TYNE.



LANCASTER,GOWLAND,NORTHUMBERLAND
FOY, ROSCOMMON IRELAND,LIVERPOOL.
SMITH,HAMPSHIRE, & LIVERPOOL
SEALES SURREY CRADDOCK,HAMPSHIRE

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Re: Burial Record St Nicholas Church Liverpool
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 12 March 16 14:46 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if the cg indicates communal grave?
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Re: Burial Record St Nicholas Church Liverpool
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 13 March 16 11:16 GMT (UK) »
Hi Carol. Yes you are correct cg does indicate communal grave. I found post on Liverpool& SW Lancs Genealogy site discussing cemetery Rice Farm. Walton. 
COLBECK,WHITEHAVEN CUMBERLAND
COLEBECK,HOPE,MILLER,LIVERPOOL
SCHAMBERG,MEMMEL PRUSSIA
ROCHE,ROACH,MAHER,FOY IRELAND
SANDFORD.TYNAN, LIVERPOOL.
HUBBARD,TAYLOR KENT.
HOPE NORTHUMBERLAND
SANDFORD NEWCASTLE/UPON/TYNE.



LANCASTER,GOWLAND,NORTHUMBERLAND
FOY, ROSCOMMON IRELAND,LIVERPOOL.
SMITH,HAMPSHIRE, & LIVERPOOL
SEALES SURREY CRADDOCK,HAMPSHIRE

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Re: Burial Record St Nicholas Church Liverpool
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 17 April 16 11:27 BST (UK) »
Hi, Having studied this cemetery,its history and its layout for my own purposes, I believe I can give you an idea of what and where you are looking for.
All entries in the registers that are available will be in either a 'paid' or an 'Unpaid for' register.
An "unpaid for" is more indicative of the very early years of the cemeteries existence.
That is to say the era 1856 -1895 when most 'public' burials took place at the Southern end of the site and were afforded by the Parish or "Guardians".
From about 1894 onwards there were two areas defined and allocated as being "public" areas at the Northern end of the site. Sadly it has to be said that these areas have also been subjected to much disruption since the 1940's and at least 60% of one such public area has been developed into housing by none other than the UK government in the guise of Her Majesties Prison Service, apparently breaking their own rules on development of such sensitive areas ?
 
It was the method of gravediggers in those days to follow a grid pattern, and so they would begin at a chosen corner of a field and would excavate what would be an ongoing trench to a depth of 8 feet minimum and in a straight line, this initial trench would be nominated as "A" and the first 6 foot of its length would become grave number 1 etc, ad infinitum.
Each would be backfilled in the order of (usually) two 'full grown' adults, followed by up to four junior adults (aged over 7years),and last would be infants and newborns. This would progress slowly along the chosen direction and each 'position' might take weeks to achieve the required 'density' of cadavers before it is finally "closed". A close study of the registers for some years especially around the early 20th Century reveals a very high infant mortality rate due to pandemics and disease and can account for as many as 32 names bearing the same grave reference number !

So to summarise, the reference number (O - 21)and date that you have can not get you to an exact location but could be approximated within 5-10 metres during a visit.
10/- of old £.s.d was the cost of burying an 'adult' (defined as being 7 years of age or older)and covered the simple wooden coffin and the gravediggers wages.
In 1911 this was just about affordable for most families and avoided the social stigma of being buried a "pauper" (There is no official classification of a paupers grave by the way).
It must be said that Cg does indeed indicate a 'common' grave and in most cases within this cemetery will have no visible identity whatsoever.
The Southern end of the site has given way to well established dense woodland now and is almost impossible to penetrate in some areas during the summer months.
Severe vandalism after its abandonment in the late 1960's also destroyed many memorials that did exist in those areas where they were afforded and where proper Section and Grave numbers were allocated and recorded.
BTW I believe it may have been my thread on Liverpool&SWLancs FHS forum that Victoria refers to!