John Cade birth b 1766?, d 1799/1800?

[Stormybay]

Luke's youngest son was Robert Cade who also died young and I have found no children for him...

You are helping me significantly with your research into this.  Thank you.

S

[hanes teulu]

FindMyPast Burials (transcriptions)
Robert Cade, at Chelsea, age 44 on 11 June 1819, address Paradise Row (Luke died at the same address)

Public ledger & Daily Advertiser, 25 Sep 1809
The Good Ship Crow Isle 221 tons ... Commander Robert Cade.

Probably (??) the Cade of the Ex and Susannah. Yet to find a ship for "John Cade of the Russia trade...".   

[Stormybay]

This is supporting some of my theories and resolving some questions, nicely.  Once again thank you. 

The other nugget that I have is apprenticeship papers, dated 1810, for my 3x gt grandfather, Robert Cade, born 1794, baptized at Bishops Gate,
"Robert Cade, son of John Cade, late of Paradise Street in the parish of St Leonard Shoreditch, labourer, deceased, doth put himself apprentice to Thomas Cordeux.

Paradise Street was a very short street - I have tried to find out more about it in the old maps.  I have held onto the belief that this is an important "connector" in my puzzle. 
S

[hanes teulu]

My thinking (pure speculation)was possibly that John died early 18799/1800 as you say (proof/evidence??) and young bro' Robert Cade took over as Captain??

[Stormybay]

Yes, I think you may be correct.  Because of the note attached to the baptism of the child, George Cade, son of Elizabeth and John, deceased, after her remarriage to George Colley, I have speculated that she named that child, George, to honour her new husband or to make them into a "new" family.  George was three when he was baptized and so I have always been pretty sure that the father, John, died 1799 +or -. 

Re the earlier reference to Susannah:  Robert was married to Susannah Newman.  No children found, but if they lived on a boat and were at sea, there may be records elsewhere. 

The other "guess" that I have made is that John named my Robert after his younger brother as they may have had a close connection. 

[hanes teulu]

Was George the only child of John and Elizabeth?

[Stormybay]

Well, it has been a struggle with lots of leaps of faith but this is what I think:
Joseph Butler Cade 1788 - ? Not at all sure about him in this group, but the others are fairly sound.
William 1789 - 1826 buried at Bunhill Fields
Christiana 1791 - 1872 (marriage to Charles Woolnough - in printing business)
Robert 1794 - 1864 (my 3x gt) -printer in Hill Street, then teacher at St Clements in Ipswich (first child and father in law buried in Bunhill Fields)
John Cooper Cade 1797 - 1875 - no marriage, no children, compositor (buried Bunhill Fields)
George 1798 - 1839 - married Susannah Willis

Luke and Luke Charles were active at St Luke's Old Street and did Parish work.  The descendents wavered between the established church and the Methodists.

S

[Stormybay]

As to these children of John Cade - I think they were in the workhouse for a time, but discharged in 1800 which would make some sense if Elizabeth were a widow and she then married George Colley. 

But then I wonder why...if Luke Charles Cade was a successful grocer and upstanding member of the church.  He also served as a juror at the Old Bailey.  His wife, also called Elizabeth Cade, died in 1800, so perhaps he was struggling himself. 

I can find bits and pieces that connect the offspring of Christiana Cade Woolnough with Robert's children and there are connections that fit quite strongly between the offspring of George Cade and Robert's children.  The big problem is confidently connecting John, the father, with the Luke Charles Cade family, except their proximity and the Paradise Row address. 

Speculation, such an important word. 

[hanes teulu]

"John Cade of the Russia trade ..." still proving highly elusive. But did spot-

The Hull Packet 15 Apr 1800
HULL SHIP NEWS
Coasters arrived - "...; Expedition, Cade, from London; ..."

The Hull Packet 29 Apr 1800
HULL SHIP NEWS
Coasters cleared out - " ...; Expedition, Foreman for Lynn, Ex, Cade; ..."