George Hood Burial where? Died Selby, Yorks 18 September 1845 Part 3

[dobfarm]

Does the names Thomas Fletcher or Jane Fletcher ring any bells in your database -Mark

I've been in Selby most of the day checking this and that !!.

 That Selby Times 28th Nov 1879 weekly issue as you said just gives - Death Sarah wife of late George Hood of Selby Nov 28th and was put in the newspaper the same day she died even though it was a weekly paper. What I did notice was when a death was in Selby and the deceased was interred elsewhere in another Parish it stated so in the deaths, I checked quite a few random weeks and years of death columns in the Selby times but always the same with Selby (assumed home parish burial or any denomination burial in Selby [cemetery ?] ) deaths not mentioning where interred only other parishes.

The death under Sarah Hood was of Selby interred at Stillingfleet parish church graveyard

Hello dobfarm

Thank you very much.

Oh heck (a saying of my Grandma Hood), I gave Selby Library Sarah Hood's 1879 date of death and they could find NO entry.

But there is an entry you say.

I can't say Fletcher rings a bell at the Yorkshire end yet.

Only Fletcher Documents in the Leicester City Museum. John Hood of Castle Donnington and an Edward Hood mentioned and also John Hood of Bardon Park are menioned in the Fletcher Documents.

Thanks for your dedication to this quest.

Can't do much more today, as my wife wants a day out!

Will of Thomas Gouldsbrough late of Selby Yeoman deced 24th October 1842 piece inside says 22d Octr 1840, passed 24th October 1840 and Will is dated/written 17 April 1837 ... only refers to the two fields, near Selby that would need to be sold to clear an outstanding mortgage, but NO reference to Hood at all.

In the Will Thomas Gouldsbrough refers to his warehouse used by William Smith and crane, his son George Buttle Gouldsbrough and three daughters Ann Bonnell of Gainsbrough Co. of Lincoln; Hannah Gouldsbrough; ?? Cape wife of John Cape [Cape or Gape, written on fold, partly obscured] all of Selby. His Messuages and Tenements or Dwelling houses in the shipyard a Sail loft to the same (apparently Leasehold) ... occupied or let my her Mother in Law Mary Gouldsbrough unto my daughter Hannah Gouldsbrough. Gouldsbrough also refers to property elsewhere at Knottingley near Ferrybridge in the Parish of Pontefract now in the occupations of James Smith and another which he gives unto to my son George Buttle Gouldsbrough... refers to his wife Mary Gouldsbrough and also to his brother James Gouldsbrough now of York.

Executors were George Clarkson Jun'r and William Bradley.

Witnesses
Edward Dickinson
Charles Musgrave
Jonathan Shelton [or Shetton, or Skelton, or Sketton]

Clark and Clarkson surnames are party names, mentioned in one or two of George Hood's Selby property registrations.

Kind regards Mark

Reason the Selby library staff missed Sarah's burial would be as I did  at first assumed the entry would be in the next weeks newspaper after Sarah died as the week before  seeing as the Newspaper was out. was published on the weekly day of the week Sarah died 28th Nov 1879 but she was in it 28th Nov 1879 weekly issue.

[BumbleB]

Cloughton - 10 September 1789

Thomas Fletcher, Labourer, Bachelor and Jane Hood, Spinster, botp by Banns

[dobfarm]

Cloughton - 10 September 1789

Thomas Fletcher, Labourer, Bachelor and Jane Hood, Spinster, botp by Banns

There you have it she could be in fact highly most likely the daughter (going by the lack of any other Hood's in Cloughton at that time ) of John Hood and Jane  Dickinson unbaptized  as well as George Hood D 1845 - big question mark ?

Edited today 6th Aug 2016

Info from BumbleB by email today.

Forget the above Cloughton theory of George

Jane Hood (most likely nee Dickinson) buried 1822 Cloughton PR age 90 (Esti born 1732) and can't be Jane Hood 1803 age 65 burial Selby wife of John Hood mariner

another B T T D'ing board

[Goughy]

I've been in Selby most of the day checking this and that !!.

...... but you didn't offer to buy me lunch Dobby! 

[BushInn1746]

...

Hood Scarborough Burials

PE 165/43
1770. 28 July
Jane Hood

PE 165/43
1771. 07 April
William Hood

1772. 17 February
George S. of John Hood

1772. 25 March
Richard S. of John Hood

PE 165/43
1774. 26 January
John son of John Hood Mariner

PE 165/43
1775. 24 December
Elizabeth Wife of John Hood

PE 165/43
1776. 07 December
Spencer Son of John Hood

PE 165/44
1778. 03 September
George Son of John Hood
 ...

Marriage at St Mary's Scarborough
26th July 1795 No: 1067
William Hood Mariner Bachelor age 27
and
Elizabeth Winteringham Spinster age 30
both of this Parish
By me John Kirk Vicar
Witnesses: Jane Porrith John Coxton

Baptism at Scarborough
1775 December
24. Maudland D of John & Eliz. Hood. August 15

Hello All

There were several John Hood Mariners of Scarborough according to signatures on 1759; 1763 and 1778 Marriage Bonds/Intents.

Assuming (highly dangerous), but say all the child burials (above) in the 1770s were the children of the same John Hood, he/you would say, I'm moving on and John Hood would take Maudland Hood his daughter away and start again.

1781 Selby Land Tax confirms a J Hood.
1782 Selby Land Tax Mr Hood.

It is 99% certain that John Hood has finished with Scarborough and living at Selby before (or by) 1781.

At some point before Jane Hood's death, 1803 burial Selby, John Hood of Selby Mariner has married a Jane, as he is a Mariner this Marriage could of taken place anywhere.

John Hood Abode Selby buried Selby April 1819, aged 82, this age would tally with a Scarborough Baptism 1738 for John Hood and suggest he was C of E.

A John Hood living in a House in Millgate, Selby in 1802 (when new owner's Deed is registered). Mountain's 1800 Directory confirms other Mariners living in Millgate.

Although, we have not found John Hood and Jane's marriage, everything else above ties up.

Slight chance John Hood a Mariner could be in the Navy Admiralty originally, who had arrangements I believe for marrying?

George Hood
Re George Hood (married Selby 1815 aged 28) he could be John Hood's son but no Selby baptism, which could be explained if parents were Independent (as no records survive), but John Hood of Selby, Mariner, late of Scarborough seems to be C of E.

The Borthwick indexes, suggested the female party to the Marriage, could apply for the Marriage Bond too.

If the female party to the Marriage applied for the Marriage Bond, it could suggest there was no Birth record and / or was a Dissenter. There must have been some intermarriage between faiths.

George Hood
George Hood is marrying Sarah Russel with a Licence at Selby, along with a Marriage Allegation and a Marriage Bond (which George has applied for) to the Selby Court. Also George is not buried at Selby. The Selby Abbey Church has no baptism information in their Register, so he is either from somewhere else, or born to Dissenting, or Catholic parent/s, or both and/or no birth record, hence the need for him to get a Bond.

There is likely no surviving Birth / Baptism now for George Hood, if born to Dissenting parent/s at Selby. Still awaiting Catholic reply.

This possibly only leaves George Hood unknown burial place, of which the Burial Register (if ever found) may/may not give more info about his origin, for me to find.

Possibly, finding the John Hood and Jane's Marriage and their Marriage place, might (if George was born to them) might / might not reveal a Parish Baptism for George.

No Apprenticeship or Parish record. The 1808 Selby Assessment of Residents, was for church repairs.

I'm afraid for Mariners, until full surviving records are online, only what we definitely know, from records we found is all I've got for the time being.

George Hood marrying Selby in 1815 by Licence, with Allegation and Bond is my 4 X Gt. Grandfather and that he might, or might not be related to John Hood of Selby Mariner.

Kind regards Mark

[dobfarm]

Hi Mark

You know something I did not know-Birth certificates before July 1837 though I have come across one parish birth register papers in Bradford but its very rare.  Some parish registers give date of birth on baptism registers, some before, but most after 1812. So how would George acquire a birth certificate for a marriage 1815. 

Also John and Jane Hood burial 1803 age 65 b 1738 wife of John Hood the mariner  and father John Hood and first wife Elizabeth Leppington died 1775 birth year from Bond allegation John born 1737 is that fact Jane 1803 burial age 65-born 1738 would be a little old to have to have George 1786/7

Hence I still think one of John Hood ( husband of Jane burial 1803) sons was George's father ( a missing generation)

Meaning John Hood the mariner was George's granddad based on the age maths

[BushInn1746]

Hi Mark

You know something I did not know-Birth certificates before July 1837 though I have come across one parish birth register papers in Bradford but its very rare.  Some parish registers give date of birth on baptism registers, some before, but most after 1812. So how would George acquire a birth certificate for a marriage 1815. 

Also John and Jane Hood burial 1803 age 65 b 1738 wife of John Hood the mariner and mother and father John Hood and Elizabeth Leppington died 1775 birth year from Bond allegation born 1737 is that fact Jane would be a little old to have to have George 1786/7

Hence I still think one of John Hood ( husband of Jane burial 1803) sons was George's father ( a missing generation)

Hello dobfarm

Perhaps I should rephrase and say "no birth record" or "no baptism record".

Unless pre 1837 Registers and BMD items have come to light, since the late 1830s deposits to the Registrar General, which the Registrar General either returned, or passed to the PRO (Now TNA), then there is ...

No Birth Register before 1811 for Selby Independents ...
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C2494014

No Birth Register before 1797 for Selby Presbyterians ...
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C6242971

No Birth Register before 1815 for Selby Wesleyans ...
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C2494017


Re Catholics, I am enquiring with their Diocese if any earlier Selby Birth or Baptism Registers exist ...
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C2494016

Some Registers are in County Record Offices, or a few still with the Chapel or Church.

A Church in Worcestershire still had the original Registers in the Safe (Mums side).

Regards Mark

[BushInn1746]

Hello dobfarm and All

Thanks for that Google books link, regarding Rev David Senior being at the Independent Chapel, Selby.

The newspapers also confirm David Senior was at Selby Independent Chapel when George Hood died in September 1845.

In 1835 ... one of George Hood's Undertenants was John Green.

Done a search either side of 1845 with the name David Senior and found this in York Herald 8 April 1848, that the Rev David Senior, Selby Independent married Samuel Wand, linen draper, to Miss Green, eldest daughter of Mr. John Green, all of that place.
...

Apparently, c.1839 David Senior Pastor was formerly of Brotherton.

Hull Advertiser Friday 20th June 1845
Another, marriage by Rev David Senior at the Independent Chapel, Selby, mentions Mr Samuel Hutchinson of Bradford, sharebroker, marrying Ellen, daughter of John Adams, Esq., of the former place.
...

Kind regards, Mark

Hello dobfarm, Goughy, Bumblebee

Found a John Adams of Selby (1865), looking after the sale of the Old-established, 90 Pit Tan-Yard, Engine house, Drying Sheds, Bark Mill, Stables, Granaries, Dwelling House and Cottages, at Gowthorpe, Selby. The Dwelling House and Tan-yard lately being in the occupation of Mrs Hood.

John Adams was mentioned in 1845 in relation to George Hood's property and possibly an Independent, if the same Adams, as in the marriage quoted.

Selby Independent was also called the Bethesda Chapel, this was also known as 'Selby Congregational' and in 1972 the Congregationalists joined with the Presbyterians to form the United Reformed Church (URC).

A brief pdf of the building is online, has a photograph with a brief history, including D. Senior being there ...

[PDF] Selby United Reformed Church - Statement

Also, some general info in The Tourist's Companion; ... From Leeds and Selby to Hull. by Edward Parsons, 1835, from p.138 about the Independent and other dissenters at Selby.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1X8uAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA138&lpg=PA138&dq=William+Bowden+of+Hull&source=bl&ots=3hLY9IaihM&sig=Fh3hu9ZW9g4OBDhuojn0Z4r7NaU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjAvqH45snLAhXF0RQKHVUGDW8Q6AEIJTAE

John Clapham of Leeds and William Bowden of Hull, leading members of that body known as Independents in these towns, associated with friends in Selby for the purpose of establishing a church and congregation. The Selby Chapel in New Lane, was completed in 1809.

In 1812 the Rev. Thomas Pinchback was appointed Minister and from 1839 D. Senior.

I have asked the URC and archives, if they have any information c.1845, or burial information.

Kind regards, Mark

EDIT: Apparently, some records (after 1837) may still be held by individual churches and Record Offices.

Re my Edit, immediately above, it seems surviving pre 1837 records might not all be at TNA, but at Archives, or with the Church/Chapel, or not survived at all.

People seem to be changing as new faiths sprang up.

Just noticed last week, that Quakers and Jews were exempt from the need to have a C of E marriage (Hardwicke's Marriage Act).

Late George Hood possibly been taken back to his birth Parish for burial, or some other denominational burial place, which I'll probably never find

Regards Mark

[dobfarm]

2 things -shot too now't

1) The is one gravestone outside the catholic church Gowthorpe Selby on land that was build on a tannery-very long shot it maybe George. Its on private land so may need permission to see it from the church.

2) To cut along story short, my GT granddad died 1851 was buried Temple Balsall in Wark's in an un marked - grave location unknown, then one day on Rootschat website a member ! a lady had a sextons grave location book of a sexton ancestor of hers who gave me GT granddads grave location at St Mary's churchyard Temple Balsall.

Therefore post a thread to ask if anyone knows the whereabouts of any Sexton records for Selby Abbey or any denomination graveyard in a 25 mile radius of Selby as it may pay off one in the future day as it did for me even without me posting for that specific info. Strange how the unexpected does and can come along when one seems to have give up hope..