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Re: Re: George Hood Burial where? Died Selby, Yorks 18 September 1845 Part 3
« Reply #108 on: Monday 28 March 16 21:33 BST (UK) »
George Hood     
 Spouse's Name     Maudlin Spencer     
 Event Date     12 Jan 1731     
 Event Place     York, England 

Parish Record transcript at St Mary's SCARBOROUGH

"George Hood & Maudlin Spencer of Scarborough with Licence"

Transcript of Licence gives Maudlin's dob as 1710 and George's as 1707
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Re: Re: George Hood Burial where? Died Selby, Yorks 18 September 1845 Part 3
« Reply #109 on: Tuesday 29 March 16 11:11 BST (UK) »
George Hood     
 Spouse's Name     Maudlin Spencer     
 Event Date     12 Jan 1731     
 Event Place     York, England 

Parish Record transcript at St Mary's SCARBOROUGH

"George Hood & Maudlin Spencer of Scarborough with Licence"

Transcript of Licence gives Maudlin's dob as 1710 and George's as 1707

Hello Dobfarm, Goughy and Bumblebee

Thanks for your two posts re 'George Hood' and 'Maudlin Spencer'.

Re William Hood d.1870 aged 54 and his wife Jane Casson Hood.

In Jane's Will, she leaves Edwin Hood "the book case and drawers that belonged to the Simpsons "

PROB 11/1960/73 Will of Janet Simpson otherwise Murray of Selby, Yorkshire 1842.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_st=adv&_aq=Simpson%20Selby&_ep=of%20Selby&_cr1=PROB&_dss=range&_ro=any

[EDIT: In the above Will it refers to Selby in the Parish of Keithall and Kinkell in the County of Aberdeen]

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Re: Re: George Hood Burial where? Died Selby, Yorks 18 September 1845 Part 3
« Reply #110 on: Tuesday 29 March 16 14:51 BST (UK) »
George Hood     
 Spouse's Name     Maudlin Spencer     
 Event Date     12 Jan 1731     
 Event Place     York, England 

Magdelen Spence     
 Gender     Female     
 Christening Date     26 Dec 1708     
 Christening Place     KNARESBOROUGH,YORK,ENGLAND     
 Father's Name    Francis Spence

Re George Hood and Maudlin Spencer 12 January 1731

Family Search gives the following for Scarborough (not chk'd):-

1733 George Hood father George Hood
1736               Hood father George Hood
1738     John Hood father George Hood [if correct, this ties up with John Hood, burial 1819 aged 82]
1741 William Hood parents George Hood & Maudlin
1745 Richard Hood parents George Hood & Magdalene

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Re: Re: George Hood Burial where? Died Selby, Yorks 18 September 1845 Part 3
« Reply #111 on: Tuesday 29 March 16 14:54 BST (UK) »
As the will is held by the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, you will need to purchase it via TNA.

It will not be on the records held by Ancestry.  Pre-1858 the only collections are from Heptonstall (Town accounts 1834-38), Knaresborough (Wills 1640-1858) and Richmond (Probate 1536-1790).

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Re: Re: George Hood Burial where? Died Selby, Yorks 18 September 1845 Part 3
« Reply #112 on: Tuesday 29 March 16 15:39 BST (UK) »
 With the Casson link to Thorne and Balby also John Spencer of Selby son of Conisbrough the broad canal of the river Don valley / River Tent / River Ouse Selby and sea from the river Humber Hull to Scarborough

The waterways were the link. (broad canal & sea going coaster Packboats )

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=744970.msg5921777#msg5921777
In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth

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Re: Re: George Hood Burial where? Died Selby, Yorks 18 September 1845 Part 3
« Reply #113 on: Tuesday 29 March 16 22:00 BST (UK) »
William Hood a cooper of Loanhead Scotland

July 13th 1802

Theft : Richard Allen sister Mary Hood (nee Allen) wife of William Hood a cooper

Richard Allen got banished from Scotland for seven years

William Hood got sent to trail in Nov 1802

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=wwWvFXTVYz0C&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=william+hood+cooper+loanhead&source=bl&ots=LBnemQia5r&sig=aXY_2jZq4wd7vSno8HUC3c_k0Uc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiLqvyw5ObLAhWJtxQKHUH3DmcQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=william%20hood%20cooper%20loanhead&f=false
In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth

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Re: Re: George Hood Burial where? Died Selby, Yorks 18 September 1845 Part 3
« Reply #114 on: Tuesday 29 March 16 22:50 BST (UK) »
As the will is held by the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, you will need to purchase it via TNA.

It will not be on the records held by Ancestry.  Pre-1858 the only collections are from Heptonstall (Town accounts 1834-38), Knaresborough (Wills 1640-1858) and Richmond (Probate 1536-1790).

Hello Bumblebee

Thanks for looking.

The Simpson Will is Selby in the Parish of Keithall and Kinkell in the County of Aberdeen

Keithall alias Keith-hall
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Xu0ZAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA571&lpg=PA571&dq=Parish+of+Keith-hall+Kinkell&source=bl&ots=NfUklbQMyK&sig=uDcVMaFbeMmOdlNCOO-L7zFo_Qo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjG8oy07-bLAhXI0xoKHcQzCUUQ6AEILTAJ

There are three places known as Selby in the UK, one in Aberdeenshire.

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Re: Re: George Hood Burial where? Died Selby, Yorks 18 September 1845 Part 3
« Reply #115 on: Wednesday 30 March 16 10:49 BST (UK) »
Recap on what is known on George Hood d 1845 before his 1815 marriage

Going back to 1812 Selby, a puzzle with no apparent local history ? - an educated but common workman appears with a trade aged circa 25 (These usually educated trade workers stem from the poor overseers control) ~ (Educated wealthy people usually ? did not end up with a trade to their names)

George Hood d 1845 was a Cooper using his hands in a trade that took 7 years to 10 years learn from a master *** Cooper where barrels are made.


By 1815 George Hood married Sarah Russel by bond allegation info -What is unusual ? why there is all that information about

 ' Robert Sinclair, Master ( ***) of commissary or office of the peculiar and spiritual jurisdiction' on the bond allegation form.

It was an official office as sample example links

http://parlipapers.chadwyck.co.uk/marketing/index.jsp

http://www.connectedhistories.org/Search_results.aspx?pc=%22Alne%22&sr=pp&st=100
 
Then by 1818 George becomes an establish business man with a bob or two his name.

Why! or How !

((A stream does not become a reservoir overnight ! it takes time, like a year or two to build ))

Jane Hood burial 1803 aged 65 born 1738 and John Hood burial 1819 aged 82 born 1737 were too old to be above George Hood parents in my opinion

by 1838 George Hood d1845 becomes involved himself in Overseers work in Selby

Baffling to say the least !
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Re: Re: George Hood Burial where? Died Selby, Yorks 18 September 1845 Part 3
« Reply #116 on: Wednesday 30 March 16 22:21 BST (UK) »
Hello dobfarm, Goughy and Bumblebee

Thanks, these are my thoughts.

The George Hood Marriage Bond and License are possibly a clue, I feel.

1) The Bond and Licence were dated 16 May 1815, but they did not marry until July 1815, so no hurry, or was George's time taken up, with urgent family business (winding up an estate or business), family illness or loss.

2) They did not marry in private, as they publicly declared their Marriage in the newspaper. Early newspaper announcements did not appear to be placed by poor, but usually traders, merchants and nobility

Family Search ... Allegations, Bonds and Licences in England and Wales ...

"Couples in a hurry or requiring privacy might include those where:"

1. The bride was pregnant or the groom was on leave from the Army or Navy. Could be in the Militia, Navy but would they train / employ Coopers? Ports are recorded as employing Coopers, so Navy a possibility.

2. The parties differed greatly in age, such as a widow marrying a much younger man or an old man marrying a young woman. George 28 yrs and Sarah 21 yrs - Ok

3. The parties differed in social standing, such as a master marrying a servant. Does not appear to be, but was George from landed Gentry, but why take up a trade? Did he want to find his own way, but still received a yearly or other income from a Will, or his family?

4. The parties differed in religion or did not attend the parish church because they were Nonconformists or Roman Catholics. This is a possibility in his early life. But he baptised his children in the Selby Parish Church. The Baptisms of James Collinson's children are in the Protestant Dissenters Register, but the Selby Register only begins in 1811, hence no George Hood baptism at Selby.

The newspapers indicate The London Missionary Society formed in 1795, were sending out ones to form/support Auxiliary Societies or Friends including Hull or Leeds and Holmfirth. Some early 19th Century meetings raised hundreds of pounds and dissenters were Merchants and Traders and there was generally money amongst them. The Methodists have said he was not a member.

Some Hoods were dissenters and some originated from Scotland where there were Non-Conformists.


5. The parties were of full age but still faced family opposition to their marriage. Not known, but no parent as Witness, but who was Jane Cockin, Witness, was she nee Hood, or a remarried Hood widow, or friend?

6. The parties had already married, perhaps in Scotland or overseas, and wished to clarify their status in English law. Unlikely, he was a "Bachelor" and in the 1841 Census - Born in same County "Y".

https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/Marriage_Allegations,_Bonds_and_Licences_in_England_and_Wales

Jane Cockin
"Jane Cockin" is a Witness on the George Hood X Sarah Russel 1815 Marriage.

The 16 Sept 1837, Jane Cockin Birth Certificate, Selby in the Sub-district of Snaith, gives her father as William Cockin Labourer Cowick and mother Ann Cockin formerly Robinson.

I was hoping the mother might have been Jane Cockin, so no clue there.

It is baffling, but:-
George's Baptism record could still remain to be discovered, mis-transcribed, or no surviving Register.
George Hood's burial still remains to be discovered.

I think Beverley and Hull is where we'll be having our holiday!

Kind regards, Mark