George Hood Burial where? Died Selby, Yorks 18 September 1845 Part 3

[dobfarm]

This is what's baffling.

Lots of official records & laws in the parish over child learning some not of the poor

Serious stuff not open to misinterpretation of 7 plus years deeply involved bed and work training under the big stick them days.

this link will give you an idea of the time need to learn a trade.

take note of children of a parent or parents or relative with a trade sending their child to learn another trade different from their own.

Coopers
Tanners
Mariners
Brewers
and other trades

Even father to son trades had to be recorded officially as an apprenticeship

http://www.durhamrecordoffice.org.uk/Pages/AdvancedSearchCatalogueDetail.aspx?SearchType=Param&SearchID=3f359d1f-9ad2-47de-af91-dadff558b4b9&ItemID=168398
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Family business of middle class wealth self taught or a schooled trained administrator in management in as any trade business man/ manufacturer/manager of any businesses in Tanning, Barrel making, Brewing or accumination of businesses employing apprentice trained employees. ? must be the answer to so many trades in business.

[BushInn1746]

Hello dobfarm

Think you're suggesting that George was not a Cooper by trade, but ran or owned the Cooper business?

I had enquired at the Leeds Yorks Record Office re Bankruptcy files, as they were usually handled at the Leeds Court but a search gives us James of Gray's Inn Place. [London].

I'll look at TNA and ask London Metopolitan Archives, Middlesex, about a file?

Alphabetical List of Bankruptcies and Dividends
May 19, 1807, to June 20, 1807, inclusive.
[Extracted from the London Gazette]-----The Solicitors' Names are between Parenthesis.
The Universal Magazine, Volume 7
"Gibson R. Selby, Yorkshire, cooper, (James, Gray's - Inn - place)."

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=z2QAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA573&lpg=PA573&dq=Cooper+Selby+1807&source=bl&ots=64Z57OJJA_&sig=Tb0eKXVTO0JrHas6KYcI7pxetV0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi47MalrerLAhVFlxoKHcEACgEQ6AEIKzAH

The Selby Directory of 1800 (downloaded copy) says Gibson Richard, Cooper, Wren-Lane.

Wonder if Richard Gibson of Selby:-
a) was an owner or occupier of premises in the Selby Land Tax 1806/7, or
b) who owned his premises?

As there might be a Deed Memorial at Wakefield, I could request a paid search for?

Kind regards, Mark

EDIT:
The only James, Gray's Inn Place, found so far on TNA, in 1810 was:-

John James 11 Grays Inn Place, Grays Inn and according to Fire Insurance he was a Wine Merchant, later a "gent".

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_st=adv&_aq=John%20James%20Grays%20Inn%20place&_ep=John%20James&_dss=range&_sd=1800&_ed=1820&_ro=any

[Goughy]

Land Tax Records 

Richard Gibson was a Tenant of Lord Petre 1797 - 1811

[Goughy]

According to newspaper -   "Attornery Mr James Grays Inn Place, Grays Inn"   

Grays Inn Place is, of course, one of the Barristers Chambers.

[BushInn1746]

According to newspaper -   "Attornery Mr James Grays Inn Place, Grays Inn"   

Grays Inn Place is, of course, one of the Barristers Chambers.

Thanks Goughy for your posts.

"Hood George" was a Tenant of "Ld Petrie" too, in the Selby Land Tax of March 1812.

York Herald 20 June 1807

"Richard Gibson, of Selby, Yorkshire, cooper, dealer and chapman, June 23, 3?, July 25, at Guildhall, London. Attorney, Mr John James, Gray's inn place, Grays Inn, London." (date digit not readable)

Hoping the Guildhall records have survived, or perhaps even a report of the case.

Kind regards Mark

[dobfarm]

Quote: Mark

Think you're suggesting that George was not a Cooper by trade, but ran or owned the Cooper business?

Unquote:

There is no way George could have been a trained in 3 trades as Tanner & Brewer as well as a Cooper. If he was an apprentice trained cooper he would have stayed with that business he knew and build up that business he was 7 years trained to do.

 Everything about George suggests he came from a business background and had acquired wealth from somewhere before 1812 or from Sarah Russel family post 1815 ?

I think if George Hood d 1845 bought the Cooper business circa 1810/12 as thought he could recover the barrel business with his business skills into a going concern later expanding into brewing and tanning businesses. Richard his son was a grocer  (Small business man -)

George must have left a paper tail of other business interest somewhere before coming to Selby if the scenario is right.
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The only other scenario is George Hood d 1845 was an apprentice trained cooper by Richard Gibson as his master and George acquired a business loan from a bank or relative to buy Richard Gibson business or partner in the business.

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Scenario 3

George was as above an apprentice Cooper by master Richard Gibson but had come from business family background -His dad (Who ever ?) had a business in another trade and taught George about running a profitable business.

[BushInn1746]

London Gazette Online (in italics) 13 June 1807 …

WHereas a Commission of Bankrupt is awarded and
issued forth against Richard Gibson, of Selby, in the
County of York, Cooper, Dealer and Chapman, and he
being declared a Bankrupt is hereby required to surrender
himself to the Commissioners in the said Commission named,
or the major Part of them, on the 23d and 30th of June inst.
and on the 25th of July next, at Ten in the Forenoon on each
Day, at Guildhall, London, and make a full Discovery and Dis-
closure of his Estate and Effects; when and where the Creditors
are to come prepared to prove their Debts, and at the Se-
cond Sitting to chuse Assignees, and at the Last Sitting the
said Bankrupt is required to finish his Examination, and
the Creditors are to assent to or dissent from the Allowance
of his Certificate. All Persons indebted to the said Bank-
rupt, or that have any of his Effects, are not to pay or
deliver the same but to whom the Commissioners shall ap-
point, but give Notice to Mr. John James, No. 11, Gray's-
Inn-Place, Gray's-Inn.

There was a Notice in the London Gazette of 6th March 1810 stating that his Certificate will be allowed unless Cause be shewn to the contrary on or before the 31st of March instant.

I don’t yet know who the Commission were made up of, nor his Creditors.

The Guildhall came under "The City of London", records now at London Met. Archives. I've enquired and requested prints of all surviving records ...
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/4ccec406-25f7-498d-8e20-90283ec8bd29

No sale of the business can be found, only George Hood appearing as an occupier of “Ld Petrie” in the Selby Land Tax of March 1812.

Kind regards, Mark

[dobfarm]

Interesting. Dealer/chapman ? (liquidator ?) (brewing or selling Beer, Wines, Spirits ? maybe )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapmen

There were a few Hood's around the country in that trade above also George's son Richard Hood the Grocer did a bit of dealing in wines & spriits if I remember.

Keep digging in general :- ~ Richard Gibson maybe Master Cooper & businessman mentor of George Hood perhaps

Think your on to something - Richard Gibson and George Hood - both independently addressed Cooper -Wren Lane, Selby  1807 to 1812 earliest known info on George Hood d 1845

[BushInn1746]

John James 11 Grays Inn Place, Grays Inn and according to Fire Insurance he was a Wine Merchant, later a "gent".

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_st=adv&_aq=John%20James%20Grays%20Inn%20place&_ep=John%20James&_dss=range&_sd=1800&_ed=1820&_ro=any

As Goughy correctly stated John James initially dealing with Gibson's Bankruptcy was a Solicitor / Attorney, but also likely had knowledge of the Wine trade too, according to his Fire Certificate.

Gibson of Selby has possibly been trading with London Merchant/s.