Author Topic: James Gleeson b c1834 Cappamore, Co. Limerick  (Read 2814 times)

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Re: James Gleeson b c1834 Cappamore, Co. Limerick
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 13 March 16 12:17 GMT (UK) »
Thanks everyone for your help and all the links which I am going through.

I bought the 1859 marriage cert last week and it confirms that it was indeed the James Gleeson of Co. Limerick that I was looking for. Bridget was the daughter of Thomas (not John as recorded on death record) & Margaret.

On Family Search, I found 2 baptisms in St. Mary's, Geelong (same church where James & Bridget were married) and a marriage in 1888 in Wagga Wagga whose parents were James G & Bridget Ryan.  I have not located these births on the BMD records.
http://tinyurl.com/zvojr4z


So to sum up the info at hand: James arrived in Victoria prior to 1857 and acquired land in Puebla. He married Bridget Ryan in 1859 in Geelong and had possibly the following children:=

Johanna - baptism 1859
Catherine - baptism 1863
James 1866
Ellen 1868
Margaret 1870
Patrick 1870
Mrs Leola (Bridget Kewley died at the home of her daughter). 
Michael Thomas John who married in Wagga Wagga 1888. ?? Michael had the Prince of Wales Hotel in Wagga Wagga and later his son John Dudley was kiled
(Bridget had 3 daughters & 1 son living at the time of her death in 1918)

Having left farming c1863, James became a publican & hotel owner and moved north to Echuca where he died in 1876.

Bridget remarried Kewley in 1882 and had difficult times with her new husband!

I haven't found any relevant death records in Victoria with parents James Gleeson & Bridget Ryan but Michael Thomas John's death record below is showing Michael for father. Could this be an error?
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Re Mary Leola nee Gleeson

A Mary Gleeson married Francisco Leola in 1917, Vic.

18975/1931    LEOLA   MARY   JAMES   BRIDGET   GOSFORD

Trove -The death of Mrs.Mary Leola occurred on Saturday last (oct 3rd) at her residence at Saratoga. Deceased was 58 years of age, and passed away after an illness of a fortnight's duration. The late Mrs. Leola, who had lived at Saratoga for the past eight years, leaves a husband.


Mary Leola Born Date   19 Aug 1873
Burial 3rd Oct 1931 at Point Clare Sydney, New South Wales in Australia

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Re Michael Thomas John Gleeson married to Annie Smith in 1888.


Michael had the Prince of Wales Hotel in Wagga Wagga for a time but moved around after that.  His son John Dudley was killed in a railway accident in 1925. 

21673/1935    
GLEESON   MICHAEL T J   
MICHAEL J   
BRIDGET   
RANDWICK


Trove 10 Oct 1935

MICHAEL THOMAS JOHN GLEESON late of
Clovelly In the State of New South Wales Retired
Hotel Broker deceased -Application will be made
after fourteen days of publication hereof that
Probate of the Will of the above named deceased
may be granted to ETHEL EVERLEEN MAUD PAUL
and MICHAEL JAMES GLEESON the Executrix and
Executor named therein


And the children of above

2789/1898    GLEESON   ETHEL E M   MICHAEL T   ANNIE   DUBBO   
15870/1889    GLEESON   MARY E   MICHAEL I J   ANNIE   DUBBO
15871/1889    GLEESON   MARY A   MICHAEL I J   ANNIE   DUBBO
12239/1890    GLEESON   JOHN D   MICHAEL T J   ANNIE   DUBBO
35694/1908    GLEESON   MICHAEL J   MICHAEL T J   ANNIE   GOULBURN


Thanks again for your assistance.
Blackburn(e) - Limerick/Tipp, Illinois, Victoria
English, Gleeson, Kirby, Conway - Pallasgrean
Knox - Inch St Lawrence
McGrath, Bourke, Ryan - Emly

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Re: James Gleeson b c1834 Cappamore, Co. Limerick
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 13 March 16 22:44 GMT (UK) »
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On Family Search, I found 2 baptisms in St. Mary's, Geelong (same church where James & Bridget were married) and a marriage in 1888 in Wagga Wagga whose parents were James G & Bridget Ryan.  I have not located these births on the BMD records.
http://tinyurl.com/zvojr4z

Not at all unusual for Catholics to fail to register their chn's births.  I understand that many considered baptism was sufficient.  Possibly some errors with mistranscriptions from parish records to Familysearch or the quarterly returns to the Melbourne BDM Registry.  Prior to marriage though.

Death
GLEESON Johanna
Father James
1857  6 months  Born Geelong  Reg#3265

I cannot find a burial
http://zades.com.au/gandd/images%5Cstories%5Cpdfs%5CBellbraeB.pdf
http://www.gct.net.au/deceased-search

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A Mary Gleeson married Francisco Leola in 1917, Vic.
18975/1931    LEOLA   MARY   JAMES   BRIDGET   GOSFORD

You appear to have copied and pasted a death from the NSW online death index.  May I gently remind that on rootschat we are not permitted to copy and paste from online indexes including those on Ancestry.com, but are required to transcribe the information.  It is often the format that is copyright not the information.

I would suggest that James GLEESON's death certificate would have reliable information about issue, both living and deceased, from his marriage with Bridget.

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I haven't found any relevant death records in Victoria with parents James Gleeson & Bridget Ryan but Michael Thomas John's death record below is showing Michael for father. Could this be an error?

Information on death certs only as accurate as the knowledge of the informant.

Google search has quite a few hits for Michael John Thomas GLEESON which you appear to have found ;)

Plus
Probate packet for Michael TJ
http://search-cloudfront.records.nsw.gov.au/items/553804

Claiming compensation for death of son
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16248743

Death of his wife Annie in 1942
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article17825281

Cando :)

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Re: James Gleeson b c1834 Cappamore, Co. Limerick
« Reply #20 on: Monday 14 March 16 10:51 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks, Cando for additional links and reminder re copyright rules.



Blackburn(e) - Limerick/Tipp, Illinois, Victoria
English, Gleeson, Kirby, Conway - Pallasgrean
Knox - Inch St Lawrence
McGrath, Bourke, Ryan - Emly