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Re: Clements of Headwood Kilwaughter
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 07 August 19 21:33 BST (UK) »
I have been chipping away at some family details since viewing the 1885 will written by Elizabeth (Eliza) Clements nee Agnew.
Could the date confusion be because the Will of Eliza Clements was not Eliza nee Agnew but rather Eliza nee Wallace? She is listed as the widow of a weaver who could have been Henry Clements, possibly another brother of Martha?

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Re: Clements of Headwood Kilwaughter
« Reply #10 on: Friday 09 August 19 16:12 BST (UK) »
Hi there,
  Yes I have been advised by a Clements cousins (through our DNA connection) that Elizabeth was not an Agnew, but a McDowell.  When she died, Eliza Clements was present and this was the Eliza Agnew who married James Clements.
   I can now make sense of Daniel McGookin being executor for Elizabeth Clements, as her husband Henry a farmer/grocer, was his cousin.  Henry and James were the sons of Andrew Clements; Martha Clements brother. So no further confusion.
   Thank you for your comments,
CL
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Re: Clements of Headwood Kilwaughter
« Reply #11 on: Monday 02 September 19 17:09 BST (UK) »
Hi there,
  Yes I have been advised by a Clements cousins (through our DNA connection) that Elizabeth was not an Agnew, but a McDowell.  When she died, Eliza Clements was present and this was the Eliza Agnew who married James Clements.
   I can now make sense of Daniel McGookin being executor for Elizabeth Clements, as her husband Henry a farmer/grocer, was his cousin.  Henry and James were the sons of Andrew Clements; Martha Clements brother. So no further confusion.
   Thank you for your comments,
CL
Hi CL,
I'm new to this research, so any guidance would be appreciated. My interest is in James Clements b~1817,d.24/2/1890 and married to Elizabeth Agnew 18/8/1850. They had six children :Maggie;Andrew;Martha Jane; Thomas John; James and Henry.
I agree that James' wife, Eliza Clements of Headwood is likely to be the person present at the death of Eliza Clements Craiganorne (widow of a weaver) on 3/9/1885.
There is obviously a connection between the two Clements families, but I'm struggling to make it!

In the 1851 census there is a linen weaver: Henry age 46 married in 1839 to Eliza age 36 since 1839 with a son called Andrew age either 7 or 1 and a mother-in-law called Marget Wallace.
So this entry has a Henry, an Eliza and an Andrew almost all the right ages. But a M-i-L called Wallace not McDowell

There is a record of a teacher Andrew Clements marrying Mary Gilmour (15/7/1867) and their eldest living  child in 1885 was a Margaret Eleanor living in Annahilt. Margaret Eleanor is a beneficiary in Eliza's (Craiganorne) Will as a granddaughter. One of her five siblings was named Isabella McDowell Clements so there is a case that was certainly a family name. If Henry was 46 in 1851 he wouldn't be far away from the Henry Clements listed as a son of John Clements/Elizabeth Kirk born 6/2/1809. They also had a son James b. 12/2/1807, but that can't be my James as he's 10 years too old and his father is John not Andrew.
So questions!
The Martha Clements that married William McGookin on 17/4/1823. Was she a sister of Henry (linen weaver),  Henry (Clements/Kirk) or even related at all?
Daniel McGookin b. 1827,d.15/10/1894 who married Elizabeth Crowe ~1860, had a son Samuel Alexander b. 20/8/1868 who ended up being an executor for Thomas John Clements in a reprise of the previous generation.

Any tips on how to trace James Clements?

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Re: Clements of Headwood Kilwaughter
« Reply #12 on: Monday 02 September 19 21:12 BST (UK) »
Hi again,
  I'll send you a PM of what I have compiled on James Clements, as this is getting lengthy.
Regards,
CL
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Re: Clements of Headwood Kilwaughter
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 20 July 24 15:56 BST (UK) »
Hi I'm new to the conversation. I too am looking for a James Clements connected to this family. He had a son Daniel born around 1940's in Antrim. Doesn't specify if it's County Antrim or Antrim town. I have DNA matches connecting me to this family and records connecting me to Daniel. But I need to find his father James to pull the whole thing together.

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Re: Clements of Headwood Kilwaughter
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 08 August 24 01:05 BST (UK) »
Hello - coming late to this conversation.
I have a Hugh Clements McCurdy, born in 1938, whose parents were Hugh McCurdy [1891-1952] by his second wife, Mary Elizabeth Clements [1900-1988] - she was born at Headwood, Kilwaughter, the daughter of Thomas John Clements [1859-1934] and his wife Sarah Moore. He in turn was a son of James Clements [1822-1890] and Eliza Agnew [1831-1908] ... This James was a son of an Andrew Clements ...

I am trying to ascertain what the connection is between the earlier named Clements in the posting trail here, conscious that Henry Clements [1756-1831] was married firstly to Martha Simm [1752-1800], by whom he had his family, but that his second wife was a Mary McCurdy [per the gravestone in Old Ballynure] ... and thus trying to see if there is a connection between Hugh McCurdy above, and this Mary McCurdy, and thus, perhaps an indirect relationship with his wife Mary Elizabeth Clements ...

Grateful if anyone can help put me right on this 'conundrum' ...

Many thanks

Shane McCurdy

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Re: Clements of Headwood Kilwaughter
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 10 August 24 15:25 BST (UK) »
Hi I'm new to the conversation. I too am looking for a James Clements connected to this family. He had a son Daniel born around 1940's in Antrim. Doesn't specify if it's County Antrim or Antrim town. I have DNA matches connecting me to this family and records connecting me to Daniel. But I need to find his father James to pull the whole thing together.
   Hello Tissa55.
       I'd be interested in hearing more details about your James Clements.  What was his date of birth if you don't mind me asking?
Regards, CL
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Re: Clements of Headwood Kilwaughter
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 23 October 24 17:27 BST (UK) »
Unfortunately I have no information at all on James Clements other than his being named as Daniel Clement’s father on his marriage certificate. According to Daniel’s RIC records he was born in Antrim (doesn’t specify town or county) so I assume that James also came from Antrim.
I have DNA matches to three individuals who each have this Clements family from Kilwaughter in their tree.

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Re: Clements of Headwood Kilwaughter
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 24 October 24 11:38 BST (UK) »

Unfortunately I have no information at all on James Clements other than his being named as Daniel Clement’s father on his marriage certificate. According to Daniel’s RIC records he was born in Antrim (doesn’t specify town or county) so I assume that James also came from Antrim.

Would this be the marriage?
Marriage 15 August 1876 to Margaret Johnson. Swanlinbar Parish Church (CoI).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1876/11178/8095579.pdf

Daniel stationed at Belcoo (Co Fermanagh).


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