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Re: Trying to track Kathleen Saunders after 1964
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 23 February 16 10:43 GMT (UK) »
If Kathleen appears in the 1947 electoral roll you can eliminate the 1930 birth, as voters needed to be 21 or over.

Beautiful, thanks for that!

Here is the electoral roll for 10 Boreman House in 1950:

Timothy Saunders
Kathleen Saunders
Agnes Shepperd

That's very strange. I have them at 17 Fernbrook Road in 1950. Agnes, William and his wife. I hadn't seen this one you mention, but if it's at that address then it must be them also.

So weird. In 1945 Agnes was living with a John Shepherd at 37 Maddin Road. In 1947, she's living with Kathleen (her first electoral roll) at 27 Maddin Road, with John Shepherd still at 37. But Agnes' death certificate with Kathleen as informant says she was a spinster.

William's burial has his name as "William Timothy Saunders McCarthy" but I've looked right into it and he never had that Saunders middle name anywhere and his parents weren't Saunders. Perhaps Kathleen had something to do with it.

Thanks for this! Something to ponder over.

Have you found them in the 1939 register?

Agnes should be there, Kathllen might be redacted due to being born after 1915 and not deceased by 1991

we can't do look-ups for you though.

Yes I've found Agnes in the 1939 Register with one person who's closed, which must be Kathleen. Thanks.

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Re: Trying to track Kathleen Saunders after 1964
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 23 February 16 10:53 GMT (UK) »
Maybe with a child to look after she just moved in with people as a housekeeper?
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Re: Trying to track Kathleen Saunders after 1964
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 23 February 16 11:10 GMT (UK) »
Who was the informant of William's death in 1968?

Have you searched the probate registry in case he left a will?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Trying to track Kathleen Saunders after 1964
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 23 February 16 11:18 GMT (UK) »
In case William Timothy was in a de facto relationship with Kathleen, I had a look for Saunders births with mother's maiden name Saunders in Greenwich.  They are too recent to post on here, but there is a birth registered there in 1952 with a first name and middle initial which may suggest a possible connection with this family. (There are later possibilities too).
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: Trying to track Kathleen Saunders after 1964
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 23 February 16 11:39 GMT (UK) »
Who was the informant of William's death in 1968?

Have you searched the probate registry in case he left a will?

I haven't bought his death certificate but bought his burial from Deceased Online which wasn't very helpful. I'm not able to purchase wills or certificates at the moment.

In case William Timothy was in a de facto relationship with Kathleen, I had a look for Saunders births with mother's maiden name Saunders in Greenwich.  They are too recent to post on here, but there is a birth registered there in 1952 with a first name and initial which may suggest a possible connection within this family. (There are later possibilities too).

That's amazing. Thank you for finding that and for teaching me something new. I'm not sure about the other births but your 1952 birth looks quite promising. William was born in 1905, only about 20 years older than Kathleen which I don't think would've been too uncommon.

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Re: Trying to track Kathleen Saunders after 1964
« Reply #14 on: Monday 24 February 25 16:42 GMT (UK) »
Kathleen Saunders was my grandma and died in 2001.  William Saunders was her husband and my grandfather. 

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Re: Trying to track Kathleen Saunders after 1964
« Reply #15 on: Monday 24 February 25 17:00 GMT (UK) »
My dad was born in 1957.  He was the third of 3 kids of Kathleen and William.  I don’t really understand this site but was looking to find info on my grandad as my dad was only 11 when his dad William died and he doesn’t rember much but knows his dad had 5/6 sisters he was the only boy.  He was born in Bethnal Green.  We might be related how do you know my family

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Re: Trying to track Kathleen Saunders after 1964
« Reply #16 on: Monday 24 February 25 17:25 GMT (UK) »
Who was the informant of William's death in 1968?

Have you searched the probate registry in case he left a will?

I haven't bought his death certificate but bought his burial from Deceased Online which wasn't very helpful. I'm not able to purchase wills or certificates at the moment.

In case William Timothy was in a de facto relationship with Kathleen, I had a look for Saunders births with mother's maiden name Saunders in Greenwich.  They are too recent to post on here, but there is a birth registered there in 1952 with a first name and initial which may suggest a possible connection within this family. (There are later possibilities too).

That's amazing. Thank you for finding that and for teaching me something new. I'm not sure about the other births but your 1952 birth looks quite promising. William was born in 1905, only about 20 years older than Kathleen which I don't think would've been too uncommon.

Kathleen and William are my Grandparents.  Kathleen died in 2001.  They had 4 Children. 

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Re: Trying to track Kathleen Saunders after 1964
« Reply #17 on: Monday 24 February 25 23:36 GMT (UK) »
My dad was born in 1957.  He was the third of 3 kids of Kathleen and William. 
I don’t really understand this site but was looking to find info on my grandad as my dad was only 11 when his dad William died and he doesn’t rember much but knows his dad had 5/6 sisters he was the only boy.  He was born in Bethnal Green.

Are these related to your family?

William Timothy McCarthy
Sep 1905 Bethnal Green, London Volume   1c Page   189
Not found on GRO to confirm his mmn

William Timothy McCarthy Age 20
Birth 24 May 1905 Bethnal Green, London
Service Date   28 Jul 1925
Service Number   370331
Next of Kin   W T McCarthy
Relation to Airman   Father
UK, Royal Air Force Airmen Records, 1918-1940

Is this his parents marriage entry

Marriages Sep 1904 
Arlett    Richard        Mile End    1c   632    
Bruen    Margaret        Mile End    1c   632    
McCarthy    William Timothy Mile End    1c   632    
Webb    Louisa        Mile End    1c   632    

FreeBMD has these birth entries mmn BRUEN

Births Sep 1913   
McCarthy    Emily D    Bruen    Whitechapel    1c   406    

Births Dec 1916
McCarthy    Ethel K    Bruen    Whitechapel    1c   330    

Births Mar 1920 
McCarthy    Daisy F    Bruen    Bethnal G    1c   417    

Births Sep 1922   
McCarthy    Marie I    Bruen    Bethnal G.    1c   219   

Births Jun 1925   
McCarthy    Annie E    Bruen    Bethnal G.    1c   240    

Edit to add London Electoral Register

William Timothy McCarthy Snr
Electoral Date   1929
Street Address   89 Mape Street
Ward or Division/Constituency   Bethnal Green
County or Borough   Tower Hamlets
Also Margaret, William Timothy Jnr & Eleanor Fanny McCarthy





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