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Trying to track Kathleen Saunders after 1964
« on: Tuesday 23 February 16 05:36 GMT (UK) »
From Electoral Rolls on Ancestry, I've learnt that from 1951 to 1964 Kathleen Saunders was living with William Timothy McCarthy, who was about her mother's age, at 10 Boreman House, Thames Street, Greenwich. He died in 1968 at 38 Bideford Road, Downham, Lewisham and perhaps Kathleen was still living with him. Are there any online resources I could use to track her after this? My grandfather born in 1928 has never known a cousin, but this Kathleen is his cousin.

She would have been born between 1917 and 1930 and likely won't be alive anymore but I'm still trying to learn what I can of my grandfather's big mess of a family while he's still alive, and hoping she has some descendants out there. I've tried to match her with marriages in the London area after 1964 but I can't be sure of any, ditto with deaths for any Kathleen Saunders.

Thanks for any guidance.

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Re: Trying to track Kathleen Saunders after 1964
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 23 February 16 08:11 GMT (UK) »
when was she born
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Re: Trying to track Kathleen Saunders after 1964
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 23 February 16 08:17 GMT (UK) »
1917-1930 is a huge range for her birth and also means she may well still be living.

You'd do better to focus on identifying her birth registration, for an accurate date and also her full name including any middle names, and then use that to find later records of her.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Trying to track Kathleen Saunders after 1964
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 23 February 16 08:29 GMT (UK) »
1917-1930 is a huge range for her birth and also means she may well still be living.

You'd do better to focus on identifying her birth registration, for dates and her full name including any middle names, and then use that to find later records of her.

I know. A Kathleen Saunders with mother's maiden name of Saunders who didn't pop up in the Electoral Roll until 1947 is all I've had to go on. There's 5 births to go on with this. She hasn't used a middle name on the electoral rolls or on her mother's death certificate so I can only assume she doesn't have one. Thanks though, I see how it is important.

These are the five I assume her birth to be. The last one is less likely to be her. I don't know where her mother was from 1901 until 1931 and none of these places stand out. Southwark is closest to Lewisham though, where I found her mother in 1931.

1917
Willesden, Middlesex, England

1919
Wandsworth, London, England

1924
Southwark, London, England

1926
West Ham, Essex, England

1930
Birmingham North, Warwickshire, England


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Re: Trying to track Kathleen Saunders after 1964
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 23 February 16 09:02 GMT (UK) »
From Electoral Rolls on Ancestry, I've learnt that from 1951 to 1964 Kathleen Saunders was living with William Timothy McCarthy, who was about her mother's age, at 10 Boreman House, Thames Street, Greenwich. He died in 1968 at 38 Bideford Road, Downham, Lewisham and perhaps Kathleen was still living with him.

In 1951 there is also an Agnes Saunders living with them,maybe she can provide a clue?
Perhaps she was Kathleen's mum and William's partner?
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Re: Trying to track Kathleen Saunders after 1964
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 23 February 16 09:09 GMT (UK) »
From Electoral Rolls on Ancestry, I've learnt that from 1951 to 1964 Kathleen Saunders was living with William Timothy McCarthy, who was about her mother's age, at 10 Boreman House, Thames Street, Greenwich. He died in 1968 at 38 Bideford Road, Downham, Lewisham and perhaps Kathleen was still living with him.

In 1951 there is also an Agnes Saunders living with them,maybe she can provide a clue?
Perhaps she was Kathleen's mum and William's partner?

Thanks carol8353. Yes Agnes was Kathleen's mother, she died there in 1952. She might have been William's partner at this point but I can't be sure. In 1950 Agnes was living with William and his wife Eleanor, then in 1951 as you saw it's Agnes, her daughter Kathleen and William. I can't find a death for Eleanor though. She was Eleanor Fanny Box. There's a public tree on Ancestry of her but I can't see it to see if it has a death year.

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Re: Trying to track Kathleen Saunders after 1964
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 23 February 16 10:19 GMT (UK) »
If Kathleen appears in the 1947 electoral roll you can eliminate the 1930 birth, as voters needed to be 21 or over.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Trying to track Kathleen Saunders after 1964
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 23 February 16 10:30 GMT (UK) »
Here is the electoral roll for 10 Boreman House in 1950:

Timothy Saunders
Kathleen Saunders
Agnes Shepperd

Could Timothy Saunders be another child of Agnes & brother of Kathleen?  Alternatively it may be an alias for William Timothy McCarthy.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Trying to track Kathleen Saunders after 1964
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 23 February 16 10:32 GMT (UK) »
Have you found them in the 1939 register?

Agnes should be there, Kathllen might be redacted due to being born after 1915 and not deceased by 1991

we can't do look-ups for you though.
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