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Re: Seelig family
« Reply #45 on: Sunday 21 February 16 17:31 GMT (UK) »


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« Reply #46 on: Sunday 21 February 16 17:45 GMT (UK) »
Still speculation but there's a family tree for Joseph Seelig- no wife and children listed:
   www.geni.com/people/Joseph-Seelig/6000000032021346011

Mathilde Seelig born 27 Mar.1839 (as per index but not on record)-
   https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5MF-B9W
   Added- this is NOT the Mathilde Seelig who married Ferdinand Ahorn and lived in London,

Louisa Seelig born 23 Mar.1848 (as per index but not on record) married (1870 Munster) Isaac Levi Weinberg (born 13 Jan.1840)-
   https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JHW8-DML
   https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NRKW-KM9
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Re: Seelig family
« Reply #47 on: Sunday 21 February 16 19:41 GMT (UK) »
  Thank you all for your posts it is taking me a while to process this all so that I know which way I need to go now. There are a few complications and I am sure once I have it on paper it will all become a lot clearer. Lovely to see the home Ray and know that George would have had a good life with the Bentleys that makes me very happy.

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« Reply #48 on: Sunday 21 February 16 20:29 GMT (UK) »
I would recommending getting hold of the wills of William Bentley (d. 1880, possible father) and Hannah Bentley d. 1897.   The people to whom probate was granted are not necessarily the same as the beneficiaries of the wills, and Emma, George, or both may be mentioned.

Sometimes, 'natural' children are made specific reference to in wills. Or he may be listed as 'adopted' - there wasn't government-regulated adoption as we think of it but unofficial adoption was not uncommon, and it seems that the Bentley's cared for him over a long period of time + possibly left him an inheritance.

You can search for wills/probates and order online: https://www.gov.uk/search-will-probate
(note: if an entry says 'administration' granted there was no will and ordering the full record will not provide much info - if it says 'probate' granted there's a will and you can get a copy of it).

It would also be worthwhile getting the birth certificate of George - the "Seeley" entry mentioned upthread seems to be him. Possibly that will give you a better idea to Emma's middle name(s)? It might also confirm if she was living with the Bentley's at the time, or if not where she was resident.
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Re: Seelig family
« Reply #49 on: Sunday 21 February 16 21:16 GMT (UK) »

For your notes pile . . . . .

1881 9 Hyde Park Terrace, Marylebone Paddington
RG11 16 27 page 3
[ in the home of Lionel L Cohen (Stock Exchange Member) ]
Emma Felig (?Selig?) 37 (Unm)  Ladies Maid b Germany (Frankfurt - I think it says)




  Ray has posted this so just posting to show that this could well have been the EMMA SEELIG and she could have left George in the care of the Bentleys....so this could have been where she was resident

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« Reply #50 on: Monday 22 February 16 09:35 GMT (UK) »
   Questions I am asking myself  ....did Emma come to England and live with the Bentleys as a maid...she did seem to have enough money left in her will to say that she wasn't from humble beginnings could she have managed to save that money ....1400 approx..... over her life time  or did she in fact inherit it from her family. She stayed in England with George in her later years as she was on the 1901 census this was after the death of Georges wife and Emma was probably a help with the children the youngest being George A who was only 3 in this census.

 Edith A Charlesworth is also on this 1901 census shown as a stepdaughter and would have been born to Elizabeth Charlesworth when she was 20 years old.  Then at the age of 22 she married George Seelig 1884.

 I have wondered why it named the place of birth for both Hannah Bentley and George Bentley as Armitage in the 1871 census was this a slip by whoever was giving the information as in the 1901 census with George the head of the household the place of birth is named as Rugeley Staffs ....so I will be looking at the maps today to see if these are in fact the same or very near places.

 The Bentleys own son William died in 1880 and the year after this in the census 1881 George Seelig was named as George Bently.... yes the e was missing.... and described as son......was this a recognition that he had become their son as he had resided with them for most if not all of his life.     Did Emma have a relationship with the son of the Bentleys and was he actually a family member so he would have actually been the Bentleys grandson..... I think the ages of Lewis Bentley are perhaps too far out to think that it was his son with Emma .....these are only conjectures as of course I can never find out all the answers .

   I have found the families of Amy E Seelig up to present day and this is pleasing to see that one of his daughters married and had children. This Seelig family certainly had its twists and turns I have not found a birth for George Seelig born 1864 approx  unless I have missed it in the posts so I will be rechecking that today.

  The most interesting piece of information is the addition of the Bentley family  which was initially mentioned by Maureen that was such a step forward  and it has helped me to understand where George grew up and I thank you dearly for your time and expert searching.

 Indeed I thank every poster here that has helped to put the life of George Seelig together and if I ever take a jaunt out there to talk to the locals and get some more information or I speak to a living family member I will post it on here..

 One question is in the 1901 census that Ray added which was slightly different in words to the one I found does it state WID for widow after Emmas name and what does the Loom mean has anyone any idea please......Emma Seelig MOTHER Wid 62 L.o.o.m. Germany Brit.Subj. I am almost sure from my sad memory that the word spinster was mentioned in her will and that is where it has come from that she was never married but I will certainly look for any proof that she did marry at some time  Thanks



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Re: Seelig family
« Reply #51 on: Monday 22 February 16 09:59 GMT (UK) »
One question is in the 1901 census that Ray added which was slightly different in words to the one I found does it state WID for widow after Emmas name and what does the Loom mean has anyone any idea please......Emma Seelig MOTHER Wid 62 L.o.o.m. Germany Brit.Subj

The census actually says 'living on own means'- in other words, she had some sort of private income.

One interesting thing (which may link her as a daughter of Joseph Seeling & Franziska Harty) is the employer she's with in 1881.
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Re: Seelig family
« Reply #52 on: Monday 22 February 16 10:19 GMT (UK) »
aghadowey..... Thanks for the loom ... it will save me trying to find a place in Germany called  that.....do you think the WID  is just someone thinking she was a widow ...... your suggestion in your post is an interesting one I shall follow up as soon as I get home ...thank you for your time ...

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Re: Seelig family
« Reply #53 on: Monday 22 February 16 10:46 GMT (UK) »

1901? I see no difference except for the use of an abbreviation.
Confirmed "l.o.o.m." = "Living on own means"
( apologies if the abbreviation is only used amongst "my lot" )







One question is in the 1901 census that Ray added which was slightly different in words to the one I found does it state WID for widow after Emmas name and what does the Loom mean has anyone any idea please......Emma Seelig MOTHER Wid 62 L.o.o.m. Germany Brit.Subj

The census actually says 'living on own means'- in other words, she had some sort of private income.

One interesting things (which may link her as a daughter of Joseph Seeling & Franziska Harty) is the employer she's with in 1881.

Tracing your childrens' paternal line back to here is a simple task of FreeBMD regs [ provided by pm ]

1901 RG13 2634 28 page 5
 Oaklands, Abbots Bromley Uttoxeter

 George Seelig Head Wid 37 Farmer b Rugeley
George Albert Seelig 3 Abbots Bromley
 Amy Seelig 15 b Abbots Bromley
 Edith A Charlesworth STEP-dau 19 b Uttoxeter
 Emma Seelig MOTHER Wid 62 L.o.o.m. Germany Brit.Subj

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