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Re: Elusive Ancestor - What next? Help!
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 16 February 16 10:32 GMT (UK) »
There is a death of a Henry Allwood born 1865 in  Dec quarter of 1927 in Derby.
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« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 16 February 16 10:58 GMT (UK) »
The plot thickens. Nottingham Evening Post 27th Feb 1892 has a report of proceedings from Derby Borough Court. A Prudence Allwood summoned her husband Henry Allwood for desertion. She said they had been married nearly three years but had already been separated previously for a period of One year ten months. There is a marriage June quarter 1889 in Derby between Henry Allwood and Prudence Blurton Shardlow. A Prudence Allwood married in Derby in June 1908.
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Re: Elusive Ancestor - What next? Help!
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 16 February 16 13:30 GMT (UK) »
Wow! Thank you Isobel for all the information you have provided - I will spend some time over the next week or so looking into all of this - you have definetly helped me think about what direction to go in!!

I have also emailed the MOD to ask of there is a reason they 'randomly' sent me Service Records for 'Harold Allwood' when i only requesting 'Frederick Holland'. Hopefully they might have a reason!

Thank you to everyone who has taken the time to read, look into and reply to my post - it is very much appreciated!

I'll be sure to post again either with an update or for further help!

Fingers crossed :)

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« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 16 February 16 13:40 GMT (UK) »
A Prudence Allwood married in Derby in June 1908.

According to the record on ancestry, this Prudence's father is given as William Allwood, so perhaps not the one who was married to Henry Allwood :-\


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« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 16 February 16 13:57 GMT (UK) »
That said, I think there may be some jiggery pokery with young Prudence!  Prudence Blurton Shardlow is born in Derby in 1872.  On the 1881 census, there is a Prudence Blurton, bn 1872, with parents William and Sarah Blurton and three siblings (William, Job James and Mary A).

I can't find Prudence yet on the 1891 census, but on the 1901 census she is living at 3 Borough Walk with 'husband' Frances Barker and son Frances Barker.  I wonder if when she gets married to Frances in 1908, if there was an error in the naming of her father as William Allwood (surname to match the name she married as?) or whether there has been an error in transcription?

ETA: There is a death for Prudence Barker in Dec qtr 1908.  Looking at the 1911 census, Francis Barker and another son Albert Barker are living with their grandmother Sarah Blurton.  I wonder if Prudence died in childbirth?

ETA #2: Just found a baptism for a Prudence Barker in 1899, parents are Francis and Prudence Barker.  There is a corresponding birth and, sadly, death for Prudence in 1899.  In which case, I wonder if Francis Barker was the young man that Henry Allwood accused her of carrying on with in the newspaper reports?

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« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 16 February 16 14:30 GMT (UK) »
Thank you SpiderMonkey.... I am starting to wonder if Henry Holland ever existed or whether he lived under various names.... maybe I am not a 'true' Holland afterall!

My head is exploding with all this information but somehow I will try and piece it together! I have looked at the 1901 census for Mammoth St, Coalville, and I can see that the Holland and Allwood Family were living together in the same 'house'. - Strange that there is a 'Frederick Allwood' born the same year as my 'Frederick Holland' AND in Derby (I have my Frederick's birth certificate - he was Derby too) ......and also that his sister 'Mary Jane Holland' was born here in 1902. (I have her birth certificate and it states 'Mary Jane Holland' Mammoth Street, born 1902 - Mother Mary Ann Holland) However the two younger siblings 'William Henry Holland' (1905) and 'Alfred Holland' (1909) were born in Derby and although no father on birth cert, their corrosponding baptisms had the father as 'Henry Holland'.

AARGGHHH! and Thank you :)


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Re: Elusive Ancestor - What next? Help!
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 16 February 16 14:32 GMT (UK) »
Certainly looks as if she was with Francis in 1901 when Henry is shown as married but living alone. This would explain why there is no sign of a Prudence Allwood in the 1901 census.
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« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 16 February 16 14:45 GMT (UK) »
Possible for Henry Allwood in 1881 - as a page to the vicar of Little Eaton, Derbyshire RG11; Piece: 3393; Folio: 100; Page: 37

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« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 16 February 16 14:51 GMT (UK) »
Thank you SpiderMonkey.... I am starting to wonder if Henry Holland ever existed or whether he lived under various names.... maybe I am not a 'true' Holland afterall!


I think he only existed under 2 names - Henry Allwood from birth up to the ending of his first marriage.  Then, perhaps to disguise the fact he wasn't legally free to marry, or perhaps to avoid being caught and made to pay maintenance for Prudence, he chose to go by the surname of his new partner and so became a Holland.