JOHN CRAWFORD SLATER AND CHIMNEY SWEEP

[gill baker]

Looking for information about John Crawford a slater and chimney sweep who lived with a great aunt called Mary Morrison.
We don't have a lot of information. Apparently both were dead before 1925 when the old letter containing the information was written.
We reckon that John may have been born 1830-40 but this is purely guesswork.

[ev]

Hi ,

Possible previous search here -
http://www.talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13122



ev

[gill baker]

mm.. could be them. Not aware of any family connection with those areas.

Wonder if they turn up in 1891, 1901 or 1911 censuses?

[MonicaL]

From the link that Ev posted, I think this is the family in 1871. No sign of John Crawford there at that time. Everyone showing as born in Glasgow:

Mary Crawford 27 Stater's Wife (likely a mistranscript of slater's wife)
John Crawford 3 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VQQX-7LY
James Crawford 1 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQVJ-T5J
Niley Crawford 16 daughter

Address: Finlays Street, Kilsyth Stirlingshire

The Margaret showing as being born in 1872, father John is showing on FS as John James McEwan Crawford (may help with searches) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQDG-64C

Can't easily see a marriage for John and Mary. You could check any of the children's births to see what if anything is showing re the children and their parents' marrriage (date and place of marriage would normally be included if parents were married).

Monica

[MonicaL]

Again, as mentioned on the other thread that Ev has found, the family does look to be in Alloa for 1881. The transcript below:

Peter Canboy 34 hawker b. Ireland
Mary Canboy 26
Catherine Canboy 5
Peter Canboy 3
Mary Ann Canboy 6 Months
James Dawson 33 boarder
Frank Morrison 32 boarder
William Irvine 29 boarder
John Crawford 46 boarder slater b. Glasgow
John Crawford 14 boarder b. Glasgow
Mary Crawford 36 boarder b. Glasgow
Margaret Crawford 3 boarder b. Edinburgh (likely first Margaret b. 1872 died and name re-used)
Janet Gibson 38 boarder

Address: West Vennel, Alloa, Clackmannanshire

James b. 1869 may also have died as he doesn't show with familiy in 1881.

Monica

[Annette7]

1871 - Kilsyth, Stirlingshire - FindMyPast shows that John was with Mary and the children too.
John Crawford   35     Slater
Mary Crawford   27
John Crawford    3
James Crawford  1
Lilley (?) Crawford 10     all shown born Glasgow

1881 - Boarders with a family named Canboy in Alloa, Clackmannanshire

John Crawford   46     Slater       born Glasgow
Mary Crawford   36     Housekeeper   born Port Glasgow, Renfrewshire
John Crawford    14     Schoolboy       born Glasgow
Margaret Crawford  3                        born Edinburgh

According to the birth certificates of John (b.17/10/1867 Glasgow), James (b.8/11/1869 Glasgow) and Margaret (b.6/5/1878 Edinburgh) their parents were John Crawford, a Slater (Journeyman) and Mary Morrison - different marriage date on each one which are 19/1/1867, 4/2/1867 and 19/1/1866 all in Glasgow!!!  However, there is no marriage on SP or familysearch between a John Crawford and a Mary Morrison anywhere around this period.

So, John Crawford is born ca.1835 Glasgow BUT with no marriage found to Mary Morrison no idea who his parents were, nor hers of course.   Being a slater journeyman meant he had to travel around and obviously his family went with him.

The only slater I can find in 1891/1901 - this time living in Dumfries - matches John's details but the wife with him is named Margaret (Maggie) - Mary could have died and he remarried but impossible to trace in deaths index because Crawford is such a common name and they constantly moved around.  Even trying to find John's death after 1901 is difficult - no likely John dying in Dumfries either.

Best I can do.

Annette

[MonicaL]

I loose track of family after 1881 

Annette, was thinking about the daughter from 1871:

Mary Crawford 27 Stater's Wife (likely a mistranscript of slater's wife)
John Crawford 3 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VQQX-7LY
James Crawford 1 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQVJ-T5J
Niley Crawford 16 daughter b. Glasgow

Address: Finlays Street, Kilsyth Stirlingshire

As you can see, a/try have her recorded differently.

Given the age of Mary Morrison, maybe John Crawford had a first marriage before he and Mary got together?

Niley ( as transcribed by a/try) maybe Nelly for Helen/Ellen etc www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2&search_name=nelly

Closest I could see in 1861 was this:

John Crawford 28 Cartier (carter?) b. Parisley (Paisley?)
Nelen Crawford 27 b. Glasgow
Nelen Crawford 7 b. Glasgow, Pert (Port Glasgow?)
Joseph Crawford 3 b. Greenock https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F73P-GR9

Address: 31 St Heman St, Hutchesontown, Glasgow/Govan

Other than Hutchesontown being in the right place for the later births for John with Mary Morrison, no idea if this above connects. Just including in case we find further details later.

Monica

ADDED: Re the family I posted for 1861, these look to be details on daughter Helen http://pioneerancestry.com/getperson.php?personID=I9190&tree=Francom

[sancti]

Looking for information about John Crawford a slater and chimney sweep who lived with a great aunt called Mary Morrison.
We don't have a lot of information. Apparently both were dead before 1925 when the old letter containing the information was written.
We reckon that John may have been born 1830-40 but this is purely guesswork.

Do you have details of any children?

[gill baker]

Thank you all very much fo your efforts and posts. We have a lot to think about.

The names of children is new to us.