1861 Census Holborn Middlesex

[Lily M]

Re the Jones family living in Eagle Street on the 1841 census -

The daughter, Emma, was married from 14 Eagle Street in 1846, but the family were no longer living there by 1851.    On the marriage certificate Emma names her father as Frederick William Jones - turner.

So I don't feel this family is the right one.

[keyboard86]

Thanks for that Lily M, so what we need to know from Brian is just what is his connection to John William Jones b 1857?
Keyboard86

[Brian Holcroft]

Dear Keyboard 86,
Charles Jones is my 2X great grandfather and he quotes father William Stone mason on marriage to Eleanor Martha Cross. Lived 59 Eagle St when Great grandfather William Henry Jones was christened. john William Jones is Wiliam Henry  Jones's  (b.1859) brother. In the absence of the 1861 Cs I cannot identify his birth  and thereby his parents which could be Cirencester with an alternative or Frederick William Jones a Carpenter living in Eagle st who had a son named Charles of an appropriate age.
The Cirencester connection fits well due to occupation of Wiliam Jones Stone mason whereas  I am unsure that I can exclude Frederick William without proof of Charles Jones birthplace.
Without the 1861 cs i don't think this can be resolved.
Thank you for your efforts.
Brian

[Brian Holcroft]

Lily M,
I have only found John William Jones b 1857 on  baptism records presumably he is on missing 1861 Cs.
Brian

[Brian Holcroft]

Keyboard 86
I should add that Eleanor Martha Jones remarried in 1868 as a widow to William Wood and died 1869
but still quoted as wife of Charles Jones on death cert. Something fishy? perhaps she was deserted William Henry Jones shipped off to Norfolk by 1871
Brian

[keyboard86]

Hi again Brian, so who of the Jones family married someone when and where to become your direct ancestor?
That 1851 census family still looks a possible to me with William a Mason and Charles a Carpenter/Joiner?
Keyboard86

[Brian Holcroft]

keyboard 86
William Henry Jones b.1859 m Hannah Eastoll  Wayland Norfolk 1881 are my maternal great grandparents.
W.H.Jones is son of Charles Jones and Eleanor Martha nee Cross.
I  agree the Cirencestor family  for Charles is a good prospect a birthplace in 1861 Cs would have confirmed.
Charles Jones son to Wood Turner Frederick William Jones is a remote possibility due to Occupation being close to Charles a carpenter is approx the right age and lived close by.
Brian