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Re: ommission of mothers name
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 13 February 16 14:55 GMT (UK) »
But all guesswork, till we get more info!

Absolutely!

rodc - please will you give chapter and verse - all the details from the document you are talking about.
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« Reply #28 on: Saturday 13 February 16 15:11 GMT (UK) »

A scan of the relevant sections of the document would be helpful.  Is that possible rodc?
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Re: ommission of mothers name
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 13 February 16 15:46 GMT (UK) »
the father appears to be the informant [and maybe he was reluctant?]


Column 3 on a birth cert usually has the mother's name ,and her maiden surname,so are you tellig us that column 3 is blank?

The father IS normally the informant as the mother generally (having just had a baby) is not up to trooping into town to register a birth,so dad normally does it.
In all my years (over 30) of doing my family tree,I have rarely seen the mother as the birth informant.Except in the case of a single mum of course.
 
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« Reply #30 on: Saturday 13 February 16 15:52 GMT (UK) »
In all my years (over 30) of doing my family tree,I have rarely seen the mother as the birth informant.Except in the case of a single mum of course.

Just a quick look at the birth certifcates I have, 15 show where the mother is the informant.

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« Reply #31 on: Saturday 13 February 16 15:55 GMT (UK) »
.In all my years (over 30) of doing my family tree,I have rarely seen the mother as the birth informant.Except in the case of a single mum of course.

That's interesting - I have got several where the mother is the informant, including one where my g-g-grandmother was the informant, registered the day before she married my g-g-grandfather  ;D (She registered the birth under her married name even though she wasn't  ;D)
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Re: ommission of mothers name
« Reply #32 on: Saturday 13 February 16 15:55 GMT (UK) »
In all my years (over 30) of doing my family tree,I have rarely seen the mother as the birth informant.Except in the case of a single mum of course.

Just a quick look at the birth certifcates I have show 15 where the mother is the informant.

Stan

None of my husband's do(Ireland,so we think dad went into town to the pub too!) and flicking through one surname in my files only a handful show mum as the informant. Maybe my lot were too tired after birth,or not up to travelling through London to the register office.
Mind you all my ancestors were on the buses in some shape or forn,so they must have got free travel  ;D 8)
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Re: ommission of mothers name
« Reply #33 on: Saturday 13 February 16 16:33 GMT (UK) »
Yes I too have a few where the mother was the informant.

Two examples were my dad and his brother. Grandad was serving in the Navy during WW1 when they were born. My gran had to register the births herself. The little brother sadly died 10 months later and my gran had to register his death too. My grandparents were married in 1912.

Oh I have just remembered I registered my own two childrens births in 1967 and 1968. Hubbie was working silly shifts and he could not afford to take unpaid time off to go to the Register Office.

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« Reply #34 on: Saturday 13 February 16 16:53 GMT (UK) »
Nothing much more to add really but is intriguing and irritating!

Going back to Maureen's detective work at reply 25 which all seems to fit, the civil records (not sure they have been posted in the confusion  ;) ) show:

Marriage September 1852
James Chaloner and Ann Sinker

Birth December 1852
Henry Challiner

It all looks to be in order- mum and dad married prior to baby's birth.

Bishops Transcript of baptism shows both parents.
Parish register shows both parents.

We will have to wait for the birth certificate full details.

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« Reply #35 on: Saturday 13 February 16 17:00 GMT (UK) »

The father IS normally the informant as the mother generally (having just had a baby) is not up to trooping into town to register a birth,so dad normally does it.
In all my years (over 30) of doing my family tree,I have rarely seen the mother as the birth informant.Except in the case of a single mum of course.

You have 6 weeks to register a birth -- so Mothers would have been perfectly capable of registering many births - they were out & about with the baby much earlier than the end of the 6 weeks period.

In the early days of registration, it was the Registrar's duty to ensure babies were registered --so they did visit anyone they had heard had recently given birth

And admittedly much more recently than the period being discussed here, when I had my daughter in 1980, the Registrar actually came to the Maternity Hospital once a week and registered many of the new babies
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