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Offline rodc

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ommission of mothers name
« on: Saturday 13 February 16 10:37 GMT (UK) »
Hi Folks,
my ggrandfathers birth cert has the name of his father included but omits the name of his mother.
the original imaged copy of the birth cert has a name pencilled onto it. That name was found and agrees with the birth cert. GGF #1 was born in one parish [the home of his mothers family] and recorded in an adjacent parish the location of his father GGF #2. GGF#2 s own mothers father resided in the parish GGF #1 was born in. Looks as though he was born on his grandfathers farm.
The motherGGM #2 later joined GGF #2 at his location and there they stayed.
Question: why would the mothers name be omitted from the birth cert? Or is it possible another female was actually the mother and refused to be named? All answers very welcome. Thankyou

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Re: ommission of mothers name
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 13 February 16 10:40 GMT (UK) »

Where in the world did this take place?
Howard , Viney , Kingsman, Pain/e, Rainer/ Rayner, Barham, George, Wakeling (Catherine), Vicary (Frederick)   all LDN area/suburbs  Ottley/ MDX,
Henman/ KNT   Gandy/LDN before 1830  Burgess/LDN
Barham/SFK   Rainer/CAN (Toronto) Gillians/CAN  Sturgeon/CAN (Vancouver)
Bailey/LDN Page/KNT   Paling/WA (var)



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Re: ommission of mothers name
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 13 February 16 11:41 GMT (UK) »
And when?
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: ommission of mothers name
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 13 February 16 11:42 GMT (UK) »
More likely they just recorded the fathers names and didn't worry about the mothers at all, what year did this happen?
Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)


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Re: ommission of mothers name
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 13 February 16 11:46 GMT (UK) »
More likely they just recorded the fathers names and didn't worry about the mothers at all

That is fairly common on  Parish Register record of a baptism - but this is said to be a Birth Certificate?   Mind you, the post does go on to speak of parishes........

rodc - can you confirm what document you have? Is it a birth cert, or are you talking of a parish record of a baptism?
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: ommission of mothers name
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 13 February 16 11:47 GMT (UK) »
Hi Folks,
my ggrandfathers birth cert has the name of his father included but omits the name of his mother.
the original imaged copy of the birth cert has a name pencilled onto it.
That name was found and agrees with the birth cert. GGF #1 was born in one parish [the home of his mothers family] and recorded in an adjacent parish the location of his father GGF #2. GGF#2 s own mothers father resided in the parish GGF #1 was born in. Looks as though he was born on his grandfathers farm.
The motherGGM #2 later joined GGF #2 at his location and there they stayed.
Question: why would the mothers name be omitted from the birth cert? Or is it possible another female was actually the mother and refused to be named? All answers very welcome. Thankyou
What birth certificate? a copy? or do you mean a baptismal record?
What original imaged copy? is this something you've found online?
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: ommission of mothers name
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 13 February 16 12:06 GMT (UK) »
It would seem to be a baptismal certificate as the pencilled name is then referred to as agreeing with the birth certificate.

If so, perhaps just the father presented the child for Baptism.  ???
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Re: ommission of mothers name
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 13 February 16 12:13 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for replies.
scrolling thru common room archives [page 4] i found an interesting post by op snowball 05/01/16 on same subject, so see many answers there.
my post concerns an original imaged copy of a birth cert sent to me - it is a certificate - not a parish register entry and that was later used to verify the birth was recorded in the church from a cd produced by the church incumbent for his masters degree [social science 2005] where he transcribed the church records.
The event took place in Cheshire 1852.
the b.cert section for the mothers name is empty. the penciled entry is scrawled diagonally across the cert and I believe was written by my fathers hand since I recognise the scrawl. Since he is no longer able to rely to the query, I'm hoping the experts at Rootschat can drum up some suitable answers just to unravel one more oddity in the family past!
have at it please and thankyou kindly.

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Re: ommission of mothers name
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 13 February 16 12:28 GMT (UK) »
Who was the informant on the birth cert?

What is given for place of birth?

Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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