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Offline gill baker

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birth certificate illegitimate in 1909, Scotland. Father not given
« on: Thursday 11 February 16 10:41 GMT (UK) »
My relative was accordung to birth certificate illegitimate in 1909, Scotland. Father not given.

Father not mentioned on marriage certificate or death certificate. As far as I know no paternity court case in Sheriff Court.

Family members from this period are all long gone.

Are there any other sources I can search or is this a question that will never be answered?

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Re: Finding father
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 11 February 16 10:47 GMT (UK) »
It is a question that will never be answered.

If he isn't named on any surviving documents (and seems you have checked all possibles) then any "guesses" will be no more than that, and it is grossly unfair to label someone as father of an illegitimate child on that basis.
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Re: Finding father
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 11 February 16 11:40 GMT (UK) »
Have you located a baptism record? sometimes clergy were quite deligent in recording the father  ;)

You say family members from that period are no longer living but what about their descendants? it's not uncommon for such information to be handed down. You might not get a name but something along the lines of 'father was working on next farm' might be remembered.
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Re: Finding father
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 11 February 16 11:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Tried asking next generation only 2 people both over 80 - still no knowledge of father's name.

No know ledge of any baptism. Birth took place in Glasgow where there were many non-RC churches and non-conformist groups.


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Re: Finding father
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 11 February 16 11:56 GMT (UK) »
Would the mother be called to church to answer the "act of fornication charge" in the early 1900's or was that a previous thing?

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Re: Finding father
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 11 February 16 14:40 GMT (UK) »
one of mine has it written on his baptism record (well both versions of his name I don't know which one was 'real')

However for the one in the 20th century I have no hope of working it out

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Re: Finding father
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 13 February 16 08:44 GMT (UK) »
I'm afraid that you've probably come to the end of the line.

I have something similar with a great great grandfather. His mother and aunt appear to have been the principal suppliers of illegitimate children to the village in the mid 19th century (three apiece, and two infant burials which were probably theirs as well).

Without a record ... it could have been almost anyone in the village!

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Re: Finding father
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 13 February 16 09:23 GMT (UK) »
I'm afraid that you've probably come to the end of the line.

I have something similar with a great great grandfather. His mother and aunt appear to have been the principal suppliers of illegitimate children to the village in the mid 19th century (three apiece, and two infant burials which were probably theirs as well).

Without a record ... it could have been almost anyone in the village!

Similar story in my tree. I've accepted that I'll probably never know who the father was, but I'm hopeful that the village busybody kept a diary which might reveal something!
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Re: birth certificate illegitimate in 1909, Scotland. Father not given
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 14 February 16 22:22 GMT (UK) »
Sorry but as others have already said it looks like you will never be able to find this out.

My own mum has no father named on her birth certificate even although her mother and father had been engaged at the time of his death (lost at sea WW1). A long story but from bits of info I have learned and lots of research over a number of years I have it narrowed down to 1 person but I cannot prove a thing so just something I have to accept sadly.

Maybe one day you will get a breakthrough.

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