Henry Davy/Davey death circa 1852 Australia? (possibly SA, VIC or NSW)

[majm]

It was lawful for girls to marry from age 12 and boys from age 14.  If either had not yet reached majority then that person was not yet old enough to give consent to their own marriage, and therefore needed to obtain consent from the adult responsible for that minor person.

Yes, re which mc to download from Vic BDM .... I did not consider the daughter's marriage.  I was referring to Mary Ann/e's marriage.  I apologise if you were confused by my post.

Cheers,  JM

Sorry that is my fault im trying to respond to two boards at once - MARY ANN SMITH remarried in 1853 in Castlemaine, Victoria to WILLIAM HENRY LUKE - they then immigrated to NZ with her daughters

Mary Anne Davey no status

I see the marriage on my subs site...but what makes you think it is the widow/ex of Henry?

Perhaps you should consider obtaining a copy of the Vic BDM registration for that marriage.  You can download them immediately, and they are usually quite informative.

The index is free to search.   Here is the link.  Noting Mary Anne (with the 'e') is as per the index at that link.
http://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/home/family+history/search+your+family+history/

Here is the link for the NSW BDM free to search http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history/family-history.aspx

There were huge increases in the populations of the colonies of Victoria and of New South Wales due to the gold rushes.   

Cheers,  JM

 

[cando]

Sorry that is my fault im trying to respond to two boards at once - MARY ANN SMITH remarried in 1853 in Castlemaine, Victoria to WILLIAM HENRY LUKE - they then immigrated to NZ with her daughters

Mary Anne Davey no status

I see the marriage on my subs site...but what makes you think it is the widow/ex of Henry?

David unless you are viewing a copy of the marriage certificate from the Victorian Register, I very much doubt Mary Anne's marriage status at the time of her marriage to Wm H LUKE would be detailed.  The Victorian Marriage Index does not detail the bride and groom's marital status.  One needs to view the certificate. 

I wonder how many living and deceased children of Mary Anne's previous marriage, if any, are detailed on that 1853 marriage certificate? Three, four or five?   It is possible that Henry did not father the SA births.  Who registered the 1850 birth?

Cando

[majm]

I kid you not .....  There is a tree owner who has uploaded their tree to the web, and they have Mary  DAVEY marrying Mary DAVEY in Victoria, in 1853 .....   and the married couple go on to have children ....  I kid you not.  Both Mary Davey and her husband, Mary Davey, died on the same day. 

Rarely am I lost for words .... I am at present lost for words.....

Cheers,  JM

[cando]

And another has her death in NZ in 1878 then she miraculously appears on the English 1881 census

1881 • Lambeth, London, England
Relation to Head of House: Lodger; Marital Status: Windower

I fail to understand how people can research accurately without purchasing a certificate or two along the way or in the case of the tree I accessed online, use a bit of common sense.

It's not a matter of 'knowing' that someone was born, married and died......certificates contain information that is not available elsewhere eg how many living and deceased chn were on Mary Anne's 1853 marriage cert; causes of death and places of burial etc etc.

Cando

[DavidG02]

David unless you are viewing a copy of the marriage certificate from the Victorian Register, I very much doubt Mary Anne's marriage status at the time of her marriage to Wm H LUKE would be detailed.  The Victorian Marriage Index does not detail the bride and groom's marital status.  One needs to view the certificate. 


Cando

Thank you. I wasn't sure

I was forecasting a further question - as there was on another topic by the same poster- so I added the comment before it got asked

[majm]

From our fantastic Vic Resources Board :

What to expect on Vic BDM certs   
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html

Quoting from that thread in case anyone is using a device that cannot give immediate access, (highlights in red by JM)


Marriages
 Date and place of marriage;
 name and surnames;
conjugal condition, whether bachelor or spinster, widow or widower,
 stating date of decease of former wife or husband;
 children by each former marriage;
 birthplace;
 occupation;
 age;
 residence (present and usual);
 parent's names of each party (including mother's maiden name) and occupation of    father;
 signatures of the parties and witnesses;
 signature of Minister. Prior to 1963 the date of termination of previous marriages of  the parties is also shown.


This thread is about searching for Henry's death .... if we know the date of his death we have some sensible starting place.... 

Fingers crossed this 1853 marriage is post 1 July 1853 


Cheers,  JM

[juliaanna1701]

Thanks everyone - im glad I am not the only one who saw major flaws and gaps in other ancestry trees on the family and decided to investigate further! I like the one where it states that HENRY DAVEY immigrates to VIC in 1848 (which is correct) but then goes on to list him when he 'appears' in following census for cornwall - sigh. It isn't hard to see why there are so many people claiming royal ancestry - one slip and they get all excited when they see another researcher's mistake and don't bother checking each individual person for accuracy - I've seen it more than once and I don't by any means claim to be a prof genealogist, but apparently I have a good degree of common sense

I unfortunately don't have the funds to spend buying cert for MARY ANN SMITH + HENRY LUKE as I am a struggling uni student, but I did purchase the marriage of ELIZABETH DAVEY in the hopes that (going off the VIC BDM website) the marriage cert would provide more info on the parents than it did. My mistake, but another cert to add to the tree as proof.

And please don't think that the tree I have posted is my own work, it is not it was sent to me by another researcher and I have not verified all entries and there are a few things I already disagree with - the first one being the presented baptism record for HENRY DAVEY as for 1818 in Illogan - I have found an alternate birth for him in Gwennup in 1809 to JOHN + PRISCILLA DAVEY which fits in much better with the ship records on the sibella, which do list him as having a birth circa 1810 in 1848. That is why I am concerned with using the 1818 baptism as it is not the only option for his birth and parentage, and hence my challenge locating his death in the hopes it may help me further.

[majm]

The thing is, you see, that the Vic BDM marriage cert for Mary Anne DAVEY should give you the date of death of her husband Henry DAVEY, assuming that Mary Anne IS his widow.   Divorce did not come to Victoria until 1861. 

Cheers,  JM

[juliaanna1701]

The thing is, you see, that the Vic BDM marriage cert for Mary Anne DAVEY should give you the date of death of her husband Henry DAVEY, assuming that Mary Anne IS his widow.   Divorce did not come to Victoria until 1861. 

Cheers,  JM

I know, I just can't risk it if it does not - I know that sounds like a silly excuse, but that money would buy me groceries for a week. I can only ask for ancestry membership as expensive it is for my birthday once a year!