Shaw

[Shaw Clingan]

Looking for Samuel Shaw and wife Mary. Samuel had a son born 16 Feb 1818 by the name of James. James married Grace Clingan. They came to Wisconsin USA in 1855. On cemetery stone it reads James Shaw Dumfries and Galloway, Scotland. It said on stone for Grace 1824/10/2 for birth. It also mentions Parton,Kirkcudbright,Scotland on some information. I cannot find Samuel or Mary on any documents in Scotland. It states in a book here in USA that Samuel was a livestock buyer in Scotland and died in Scotland.

[MonicaL]

Hi Shaw Clingan

What is your source for the names of James' parents?

With Grace, you mention you have a specific birth date from her stone. This was the only Grace I could see so far on the 1841 census before her marriage to James Shaw:

Andrew Clingan 30 grocer and publican
Janet Clingan 20
Grace Clingan 15
Andrew Mcgeorge 14 Days
Robert Armstrong 13 male servant

Address: Village, Kirkpatrick Durham

The 1841 census is the most limited in terms of all the census. Ages for those over 15 were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5 years, those under 15 were supposed to show at their actual age. For example, the Grace above could have been been anywhere between 15-19. Relationships within the households were also not given normally.

Monica

[MonicaL]

A number of online trees showing for the family on a/try such as here http://person.ancestry.co.uk/tree/74728293/person/36315211933/facts

Nothing really jumping out so far on the early names of James and Grace's children so far. Looking to see whether there was any form of Scottish naming pattern being used. See here for example www.halmyre.abel.co.uk/Family/naming.htm

From their Scottish 1851 entry before they left for the US, just for ref here:

James Shaw 32 Farmer About 70 Acres Employing 2 Labr
Grace Glover Shaw 26
Nicholas Shaw 5 daughter
James Shaw 4
Jessie Shaw 2 (is a common variant of Janet)
William Shaw 11 Months
Grace Laing 11 visitor b. Cotland, kirkcudbr
...2 labs

Address:    Lother Laggan, Parton

Monica

[Millmoor]

1841 census has a Samuel Shaw age 50  in Kirkpatrick Fleming - he is farmer. Noting your names in the above census, Monica, I note that Nichlos Shaw 50 also in household as is James Shaw age 20 Address Boghall

1851 has Samuel age 64 at same address, a farmer of 40 acres. Nicholas is recorded as his wife.

They are living at Crocketford in 1861- a niece Grace Laing is also with them ( b Muirkirk Ayrshire)

William

[MonicaL]

Thanks William 

So, James's daughter Nicholas likely called after his mother. The visitor in 1851 with James and wife Grace then connects well with that 1861 census entry you mention with a Grace Laing showing as niece.

Monica

[Millmoor]

An entry in Find a Grave gives James Shaw's place of birth as Kirkpatrick Fleming.

Trees on Ancestry have Nicholas Shaw's maiden name as Laing although I cannot yet see her
marriage to Samuel.

William

[Millmoor]

Dumfries and Galloway Standard 24 May 1865 has a death notice for Samuel Shaw - on 16th instant at Crocketford late farmer Boghall Kirkpatrick Durham aged 82 years.

William

[MonicaL]

Hopefully, from what you have found William, Samuel's death registration will help in confirming his wife's maiden name.

As an aside for a moment to do with Grace Glover Clingan. She certainly liked to use her middle name of Glover. As we know, this the use of a surname as a middle name is often that of an important family member. There is a John Clingan and a Grizzel Glover having children in the right time frame to fit with being potential grandparents to Grace. Or also a Grissel Glover born in 1777. All in Kirkcudbrightshire. Grace and Grizzel are first name variants, see www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2&search_name=grace

Monica

[MonicaL]

A little more on the Clingan side...Guesses really unless we can find something definitive to firm up.

We had a possible 1841 census entry for a Grace Clingan aged 15. Andrew who showed as head, a brother maybe?

From 1851:

Andrew Clingan 41 Grocer And Innkeeper b. Kirkpat, kirkcud
Janet Clingan 29 housekeeper, sister b. Kirkpat, kirkcud
Andrew C Mcgeorge 8 nephew b. Kirkpat, kirkcud
James C Egan 2 nephew b. Kirkpat, kirkcud
Mary McKen 17 servant

Address: Main Street, Kirkpatrick Village

Wondered whether this could be a possible birth entry for Andrew for example here https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYMG-C94  Also, Janet sister https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY73-CLZ 

I think Andrew married later in life https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTR3-5FS and in 1861, Andrew with new wife and mother Janet:

Andrew Clingan 51 General Merchant
Mary Clingan 40 wife
Margaret J B Clingan 1 daughter
Janet Clingan 75 mother b. Kirkmahoe, Dumfrieshire
Margaret Whitenight 18 servant
James Gibson 37 lodger

Address: Temperance Hotel, Kirkpatrick Durham

Monica