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Re: Have you ever..felt a little uncomfortable..
« Reply #117 on: Monday 08 February 16 15:36 GMT (UK) »



Sometimes I think it is better to put something like the date of death and leave it at that.
Not really necessary to go into graphic detail of how and why, nobody really wants the world to know their ancestor committed a murder as a badge of pride.

Graphic detail -agree not necessary.
Badge of pride - definitely not
But if I am researching my Family History, ie what happened to my family in times past, then yes, if an ancestor committed a murder then that is part of the history and thus I am interested in that as a fact, and it is part of the story, so I wouldn't consider leaving it out.

I agree Liz.  I would not see having a murderer in the family as a badge of pride.  However, I do pride myself as seeking accuracy and completeness in my tree therefore I couldn't knowingly miss things out of my own records.  Obviously there are lots of gaps in my tree but these are down me not knowing things.

I wholeheartedly agree, no one with any sort of ethics would want to glorify horrendous acts by our ancestors, but for the sake of accuracy they should be reported as factually as possible without sensationalism.  They are part of our heritage and nothing can change that.  Our family trees are what they are, warts and all.  It's how we deal with those sometimes unpleasant things we find in our tree...............

My gaps are also gaps of knowledge not omission.
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Re: Have you ever..felt a little uncomfortable..
« Reply #118 on: Monday 08 February 16 23:35 GMT (UK) »
Hello there.

The dilemma of what to put in the family bulletins, that your genealogy research reveals.

My genealogy research odyssey started in the 1970’s when the LDS imported into New Zealand, films containing church records I was interested in, in the UK. At the same time, one of my Aunts started a mail out campaign to her cousins, asking for details of their respective families within NZ. 

We were very fortunate that our handed down oral history, was relatively easily confirmed by church / parish records back to the 1790’s. It was not long before we had quite a tree, but one early NZ branch [1860’s] eluded our initial quest for family info. They were the senior pairing of two siblings, whom married two siblings, of another family. They were early NZ pioneering families sharing quite common names, and while we obtained several hundred names to add to the tree of the younger pairing, nothing was forth coming from the senior pairing, to help sort out the names obtained from our early NZ records, that were readily available at the time.

I still have a letter from the local district library, who said they had no relevant info to assist. The suggestion was, that those two braches had not spoken to each other for quite some time because of a business dispute. Then some ten years later I was contacted by a Genealogist researcher from that rural area, who was after further background info from my published research, of the UK records. It turned out this person was from our empty greater family branch, so I was soon in possession of detailed research notes, and some 250 names.

The detailed research notes, and accompanying table thereof, showed that one of the larger [number of siblings] families there on, had raised their first grandson as one of their own, his mother being quite young at the time.

I assumed this was public knowledge, as nothing in the supplied notes hinted that this issue, was a family secret.

Roll on another ten years, and I spotted a death notice with a not so common given name, that prompted me to seek out this person for more info. They were easily found in the white pages, being a civil servant, in one of our larger cities. I explained that a genealogist researcher named XYZ from their extended family had supplied family tree info, and that I was keen to know if they were related to the person in the death notice, and if they were in a position to fill me in with more detail. Or was I on the wrong track.

There followed an open, precise, and engaging discussion about this deceased person, and the civil servants extended family. And because I did not have their family spread sheet in front of me, several times in the wide ranging conversation, the person being discussed was referred to as Aunt X, or Uncle Y or as cousin, niece, nephew etc. for my benefit.  I was very quickly aware that this person was NOT publicly acknowledging, that they were actually born into the next generation, but raised as a sibling of their Mother, Aunts and Uncles.

Upon hanging up the phone I was left, very thankful that I had not put my foot in it at the start of our introductory conversation, but even more so wondering how much their spouse and teenage family were aware of.  By the very nature of being a civil servant, I presume, that they moved around the country for promotions, and were therefore somewhat distant from the Rural community the civil servant grew up in, where it may have been more common knowledge.

Because of this experience I prefer to research in the more distant past, and leave the issues of the now living, to future generations.

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« Reply #119 on: Monday 08 February 16 23:42 GMT (UK) »
I think that's very wise Alan!  And we really do need to leave them something to discover on their own, after what they will have already been "gifted" from our own research,  it's much more exciting finding these things for oneself  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Have you ever..felt a little uncomfortable..
« Reply #120 on: Tuesday 09 February 16 09:33 GMT (UK) »
I think there will be quite a few stories similar to Alan's.  When all is said and done, what we do can only distress the living, not the dead - and we can't be sure if any of the living will be distressed, so we usually play safe.

But things can work both ways.  My father-in-law fell out with his sister when my wife was about ten years old, and as far as I know they never spoke again, even at the funeral of a parent.  Ultimately the reason was money - they would take turns to house or visit their widowed father, but the sister reneged on the deal after a few years.  Before the split, the families used to get together, each having two daughters of similar age.

Moving on a few decades, the estranged siblings had died and the internet had arrived.  My wife uncovered the death of her aunt, and her address.  After a few enquiries she made contact with her cousins and they get on like a house on fire - having lost 50 years of contact.  Between them they have worked out the details of the rift without any acrimony.  So keeping things hidden is not simply a matter of protecting  (presumed) sensibilities.
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Re: Have you ever..felt a little uncomfortable..
« Reply #121 on: Tuesday 09 February 16 09:47 GMT (UK) »
My gran fell out with her cousin.  When the cousin's daughter got in touch with me her mum was still alive (my gran sadly long passed) but even she, who was involved in the fall out could remember why they fell out.  Mind you, she may just have been hiding something from us ;).  I guess I'll never know for sure.
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« Reply #122 on: Tuesday 09 February 16 09:52 GMT (UK) »
When all is said and done, what we do can only distress the living, not the dead - and we can't be sure if any of the living will be distressed, so we usually play safe.

Well said.
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« Reply #123 on: Tuesday 09 February 16 10:37 GMT (UK) »
Yes, dead men (and women) tell no tales it has been said. But they do generally leave a trail for us to follow.  ;)
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« Reply #124 on: Tuesday 09 February 16 11:37 GMT (UK) »
Yes, dead men (and women) tell no tales it has been said ....

But traditionally, as a reason for bumping someone off   :D
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Re: Have you ever..felt a little uncomfortable..
« Reply #125 on: Tuesday 09 February 16 13:30 GMT (UK) »
Yes, dead men (and women) tell no tales it has been said. But they do generally leave a trail for us to follow.  ;)


I have this pasted on the front of my "hardcopy" file, ;) ;D

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