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Re: Family of the late Harrold Selle of Hull
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 02 February 16 18:20 GMT (UK) »
Wow, they left marriage very late! Maybe Annie's husband had not died till then, so she was not free

Marriage
Jul/Aug/Sep 1958
Holderness
ref 2a 283
Harry B Selle / Annie Curtis

(we are on the same track avm - posts crossed again)
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Family of the late Harrold Selle of Hull
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 02 February 16 18:21 GMT (UK) »
I think Annie may be the Annie nee ROBINSON who married Albert Hamlet CURTIS Mar qtr 1901 Sculcoates.

He seems to have died as Hamlet CURTIS in Driffield on 9 Aug 1958 (aged 82), which of course would have left Annie free to remarry.  If so, she got on with it promptly!
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Family of the late Harrold Selle of Hull
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 02 February 16 18:24 GMT (UK) »
And why not, if they had been waiting for over 40 years!!!
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Family of the late Harrold Selle of Hull
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 02 February 16 18:26 GMT (UK) »
And why not, if they had been waiting for over 40 years!!!

Quite :D
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: Family of the late Harrold Selle of Hull
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 02 February 16 18:32 GMT (UK) »
From a free search of the 1939 Register index it looks as though Harry & Annie Selle are likely to have been with the newly(ish)wed Uebel couple.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Family of the late Harrold Selle of Hull
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 02 February 16 21:54 GMT (UK) »
There is a lot here for Nickuebel to take in, when he is next online, so in a way I am loathe to take it further till he has had a chance to catch up.

However, the initial enquiry was about Harrold Selle, (who we have now discovered was actually Harry Bradshaw) so I thought Id put up the 1901 census, where Harry was found, with a view to going backwards to find his parentage (we know his mum was Sarah who remarried to Joseph Selle)

1901
483 Hessle Road
Joseph Selle 36 coal merchant bn Hull
Sarah 48 wife bn Doncaster
Percy 11 bn Hull
William Bradshaw 23 step son bn Hull
Harry Bradshaw 19 step son bn Hull
Mary Bradshaw 18 step dtr bn Hull

Going back 10 years we find:
1891
51 Manchester Street,Newington, Yorkshire
Joseph 26 coal dealer bn Hull
Sarah 38 bn Doncaster
Lizzie Bradshaw 16 step dtr bn Hull
William Bradshaw 13 step son bn Hull
Lilly Bradshaw 11 step dtr bn Hull
Harry Bradshaw 10 step son bn Hull
Mary Bradshaw 8 step dtr bn Hull
Percy Selle 1 son bn Hull
Joseph Selle 1 mth bn Hull

And back to 1881
82 Manchester Street Newington
William Everett Bradshaw 30 fireman bn Lincolnshire Brigg
Sarah 28 wife bn Doncaster
Sarah E 6
William E 3
Lilly 1   children bn Hull.

This must have been just before Harry's birth.

Birth
Apr/May/Jun 1881
Sculcoates
ref 9d 150
Harry Bradshaw

Death Jan/Feb/Mar 1883
Sculcoates
ref 9d 114
William Everett Bradshaw
age 32

So Harry was only 2 ish when his father died, and only 7 ish when his mum remarried. So his step dad Joseph Selle would very much have been the father figure he knew.

Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Family of the late Harrold Selle of Hull
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 03 February 16 15:10 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the pm,

So, having established that your grandfather was Harry Bradshaw (later used name Selle), and that his parents (your great grandparents) were William Everitt Bradshaw and Sarah, you were interested in what happened to Harry's siblings.  So far, from the censuses, it appears he had siblings:

Full siblings (Bradshaws) :-
Sarah bn 1875ish
William bn 1878ish
Lizzie bn 1880ish
(then there is Harry bn 1881)
Mary bn 1883ish

Half siblings (Selles): -
Percy bn 1890ish
James bn 1891 ish

We found out that Percy Selles married Caroline Hailstone, earlier in the thread.

I think this is William's marriage -

Apr/May/JUn 1902
Hull
ref 9d 435
William Everitt Bradshaw / Louisa or Laura Cole.

You may like to buy some credits to view 1911 (or go to a local library who often have free access) as, as has been said before, we are not allowed to do look ups.

This looks very likely to be a son of his! :
Birth
JUl/Aug/Sep 1909
Sculcoates
ref 9d 171
William Everitt Bradshaw

I wonder about this as a possible marriage for Lizzie:

Marriage
Ap/May/Jun 1910
Sculcoates
ref 9d 221
Lizzie Bradshaw / either Albert Edward Broughton or Charles Frederick Kauffman

Hope this has got you started with tracing your great aunts and great uncles forwards. Have a look at www.freebmd.org yourself, or the 1911 census, and you may find out more in due course.
Births in the index after 1911 have mothers maiden name in the index, so once you have established marriages for each person, you may be able to find possible births for children. Though remember, in cases of a second marriage, it wont work, as mothers maiden name will not be the surname she married in. I say this as I have my suspicions Laura Louisa Cole who married William may have been married before!
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Family of the late Harrold Selle of Hull
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 03 February 16 15:20 GMT (UK) »
Joseph Selle married Sarah Everett Bradshaw, Dec qtr 1888 Sculcoates - hence the Bradshaw youngsters (including Harry) being his stepchildren.

Joseph Selle is listed here as a Coal Dealer and Dairyman at  51, Manchester Street, Hessle Road in 1892:

Also Thomas Selle General Dealer at 36 Daltry Street, Hull

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/Transcriptions/ERY/Hull1892StreetsM.html

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Re: Family of the late Harrold Selle of Hull
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 03 February 16 16:32 GMT (UK) »
From the London Gazette, December 18, 1908.
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CAPES Hull. KIRK  Leeds, Hull. JONES  Wales,  Lancashire. CARROLL Ireland, Lancashire, U.S.A. BROUGHTON Leicester, Goole, Hull BORRILL  Lincolnshire, Durham, Hull. GROOM  Wishbech, Hull. ANTHONY St. John's Nfld. BUCKNALL Lincolnshire, Hull. BUTT Harbour Grace, Newfoundland. PARSONS  Western Bay, Newfoundland. MONAGHAN  Ireland, U.S.A. PERRY Cheshire, Liverpool.
 
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