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Re: The Times wants your views: DNA ethnicity results
« Reply #261 on: Sunday 13 March 16 01:37 GMT (UK) »
PF - Really sorry that you have had  several family members stricken with this awful thing. When Dad was first diagnosed, no one we knew other than the specialist had even heard of it.  I understand that a lot of research is ongoing to try and pinpoint a genetic link to MND, but not yet proven. As far as I am aware, there have been no other cases in my family.

  That's not to say there weren't any further back though, which may well have been diagnosed as something else.  For instance my Dad's Irish/English born grandfather, my great grandfather, who died in Canada, 1886. On his death record cause of death is stated to be Rheumatism - and he died in Montreal Hospital.  I don't know, will never know now I guess, but I'm assuming that meant Rheumatoid Arthritis, (Ihave that, as did my Maternal Grandmother and a couple more) , and very possibly it could have been MND.  Dying in hospital in those times seems to me to be more likely for an MND patient than an RA patient.

I vaguely recall, when first talking to my Dad's specialist, that because of some similarities to the African "Laughing Disease" - it was thought at that time there may have been a connection somewhere, with MND cases globally being most prevalent right across the 23rd Parallel of the world surface, and into the Pacific.  I've googled for it for several years, but I've never been able to verify this.

I guess as the science research develops, we will learn more about MND, and hopefully they will find the cause, and discover ways to treat it.  All they can do at the moment is to relieve the symptoms, and provide home help, and palliative care in the final stages.  My Dad only went into hospital the day before he died, but we did have someone to help Mum in his last few months.  We had a nurse who would come in the evenings, stay the night and sit with Dad so Mum could get some much needed sleep. She would also shower him in the morning, dress and settle him in his Lazy Boy for the day. She was great, and from a Private Home Nursing service that went on to become our Hospice Founders in the Hutt Valley, Te Omanga Hospice. That was before the days of Health Dept. funded home care.

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Re: The Times wants your views: DNA ethnicity results
« Reply #262 on: Sunday 13 March 16 16:46 GMT (UK) »
When I started my family history research I knew that my Maternal Grandfather had died young (@59yrs old), he was riddled with Arthritis (had been a great cut-throat shaver, never drew blood), in his later years he could not even hold a razor.

Later, my father was diagnosed as suffering with Osteo-Arthritis, which myself and 2 of 3 siblings also have.

Through my research I found that (most likely) the Arthritis gene came into my line through my 2x Great Grandmother, who died young, leaving her husband to rise their 4 children on his own, he lived (& worked) well into his 70's as a Diving-Dressmaker (the diving suits that were used in the 1800's with a Brass Helmet).

 P.S. on my Mothers side the genetic problem seems to be some kind of Heart disease/weakness
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Re: The Times wants your views: DNA ethnicity results
« Reply #263 on: Monday 28 March 16 07:46 BST (UK) »
 
 
   I am Australian.I recently did DNA testing with Ancestry.I am descended directly from 10 known convicts who were transported over 100 years before I was born from the British Isles.All other ancestors immigrated from the British Isles.This includes Ireland,(North & South) Scotland ,Wales & England (including Cornwall & Devon for many known generations ).My results came back as 95 % from British Isles ( this includes my Irish percentage) 2% trace France & Germany areas. (Which I believe to be Hugenots arriving in England in 1600's) and 3% from Caucasus region.I am 3rd,4th & 5th generation Australian.

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Re: The Times wants your views: DNA ethnicity results
« Reply #264 on: Wednesday 23 November 16 09:41 GMT (UK) »
I'm English and had my DNA tested at FTDNA last June, I uploaded the results to Gedmatch but in spite of having loads of 'matches' to 2nd -remote cousins I only found one in Canada whom I knew before anyway!
My ethnicity is 65/35 GB/European and it seems as though most of the people tested are from the USA, they seem to be unaware of their 'Old World' ancestry so we in the UK have very little chance of finding anyone to match with there?
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Re: The Times wants your views: DNA ethnicity results
« Reply #265 on: Wednesday 23 November 16 11:18 GMT (UK) »
100% Irish here back as far as I can go and tested to try find descendants (if any) of a great grand uncle who seems to have disappeared after 1902.

Have found a number of Australian relatives descended from people back in the early 1800s, when particularly on my mother's side, they started to move out. We can identify the common ancestor.

No joy on my missing man so far.

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Re: The Times wants your views: DNA ethnicity results
« Reply #266 on: Wednesday 23 November 16 11:55 GMT (UK) »
Did we ever get any feedback from the thread starter about what The Times did with the information they collected ?
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Re: The Times wants your views: DNA ethnicity results
« Reply #267 on: Thursday 24 November 16 11:10 GMT (UK) »
OK 

So is this a worthwhile gift!!! to give a crazy (me) family historian --
My OH keeps asking what I want for  U know what!!! and I suddenly thought
about this.
Now is it worthwhile  ------- will I find out -- who I am ????    ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D or is
it too late for that.

Since I was a child I have been convinced I am related to Vikings :)   don't ask me why
I just know I am.. ( mental  :o :o :o :o :o)

So really would like to know -- As so far in my research, I haven't left the shores of England
even though I am way way back on some branches....

xin   ;) ;)

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Re: The Times wants your views: DNA ethnicity results
« Reply #268 on: Thursday 24 November 16 20:14 GMT (UK) »

Since I was a child I have been convinced I am related to Vikings    don't ask me why
I just know I am..xin   

    If so then like myself you will be something of a rarity for England.    I tested as Ydna being R1a which is sometimes called the 'Viking dna'.     Only 4.5% of English males have this Ydna Origin and it is only around 13% in Norway.    But, it is as high as 57% in Poland and up around 40% in Russia and most of Eastern Europe.    What is rather ironic today is that Polish is now the second language in England - so we're back!!

    The Tarim Basin Mummy discovered in Western China and dating back some 3000 years is also R1a, but hardly a Viking as he is wearing typical Celtic Plaid clothing.
   
    Now forget the finds because we are all mixed up and nearly everyone is connected to everyone else.   I have a cousin who tested R1b which is the dominant ydna in England - up around 90% and as high as 98% in Ireland.   It is also the same ydna as the 18th Dynasty Mummies of Egyptian Kings Solomon and David  (Ymn Htp III aka Salim Amen and Twt grandson of Dayhut IV).   So we all are related to the biblical characters and Egyptian Pharaohs.    No surprise in this because of the Egyptian remains found in Ireland and England and the Irish Legend which actually names the 14th/15th Dynasty Kings of Egypt - Abel and Cain, also possibly Abram (aka Sheshi and Brian).    This legend is all about a blood feud of the supposed Irish brothers but they have very unique Egyptian names which are in the cartouches of Abel and Cain (Kian in the legend, but Khyan in Egyptian - which I can read).

    Then my mitochondrial dna turned out to be T2b same as many English Kings, Tsar Nicholas, Prince Philip and Jesse James.   We all have a common ancestor who lived by the River Arno in Tuscany, 17,000 years ago.

     I think in the end we may have a better idea of what is in our genes by following music modes and scenes - also flashbacks if you have experienced these.

   Malcolm

     I haven't taken the autosomal test but have a pretty good idea of what it would be.   Most seem to have up to 2.5% Neanderthal and we have a friend who was ascribed 3.5% Neanderthal.
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Re: The Times wants your views: DNA ethnicity results
« Reply #269 on: Thursday 24 November 16 20:28 GMT (UK) »
But beware of Ancestry, Xinia! The reports they produce really are nonsense.

They are running a television commercial in North America where a woman discovers she is "26% Native American".

Well come on. ;)

Wouldn't you likely know about it, if one of your four grandparents, or two of your eight great-grandparents, or four of your sixteen great-great-grandparents, were Aboriginal? Or, for instance, if four of your sixteen great-great-grandparents each had one Aboriginal parent and two of them each had two Aboriginal parents? Keeping in mind that it's highly unlikely that at least a few of the great-great-grandparents of someone living in the US, if not more recent ancestors, were not immigrants or children of immigrants, i.e. 100% European.

That's really a pretty hefty percentage of ancestors to know nothing about. Unless you know absolutely nothing about at least one of your parents' families.

The test says what your DNA is; not what your ancestors are. The DNA in question (autosomal DNA, atDNA) is transmitted randomly. The part of each of your parents' atDNA that you get will be different from the parts that your siblings get. Two siblings' results will be entirely different -- the sister of the woman with 26% Native American DNA might have a much smaller percentage, for instance. They have the same parents, and thus grandparents and great-grandparents, etc. But one is 1/4 Native American and one is, say, 1/8 Native American. Nonsense.

If you google things like autosomal dna siblings you'll find lots of fairly easy to understand explanations.

If you are going to do DNA testing, it is most important to know what you want to find out.

Expecting to find out what percentage of your ancestors came from where ... nope, that just won't happen.

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DNA Ancestry Tests Are 'Meaningless' for Your Historical Genealogy Search
http://www.medicaldaily.com/dna-ancestry-tests-are-meaningless-your-historical-genealogy-search-244586

... Even genetic connections to historical ethnic groups like "Viking" or "Zulu" are vague. People's genetics do not reflect specific groups, since the high degree of genetic mixing over centuries means that even cultures with strong cultural boundaries do not have noticeable genetic differences.

People descended from more isolated populations, like the Scottish Highlands in the United Kingdom, have minor genetic differences from the general surrounding population, but they are not significant enough to identify a "Scottish gene" in an individual's genealogy.

"As a result, almost every Briton is a descendant of Viking hordes, Roman legions, African migrants, Indian Brahmins, or anyone else they fancy," said Jones.

If an ancestry test finds a connection between a particular sequence of your DNA and a specific, isolated tribal group, the only thing that can be concluded is a mere possibility that some of your ancestors were in that group.

Human history involves an incredible amount of migration, and because each of your genes has its own ancestral history, there are thousands of possible versions of your genealogy. ...

Malcolm33 posted while I was typing.

Malcolm, your YDNA is a completely different thing from atDNA, of course. ;)

A man's YDNA, inherited from his father, does trace directly back through his male line to the beginning, and does give a better indication of the origins of that particular male line (which means only one of four paternal great-great-grandfathers, for instance -- father's father's father's father -- and his father's father's father ...).

Men's and women's mtDNA (mitochondrial DNA), inherited from their mother, does the same, through the mother's female line. But it is far less specific.


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