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Re: The Times wants your views: DNA ethnicity results
« Reply #90 on: Wednesday 03 February 16 14:19 GMT (UK) »
As I have been researching my family history since 1977, I have been extremely interested in any developments in the research world over those years and DNA was one thing which I wanted to look at when it was first introduced for family history. I took the test and found that it did very little to pint me in any direction but I can see that it could be a great tool for those who moved from an area, to find out where they originated from.

All of my ancestors so far discovered, have been from within fifty miles of where I live today and, as a real local, with a paper trail as well as a DNA test, I feel that my DNA could be extremely useful for those looking to find where their ancestors came from in England. I'd love to be looked at in detail, to see if my DNA could tell the scientists anything. Also, as both of my parents are still alive, I imagine their DNA could also be of great interest too. (My Mother's DNA will have information in it which I haven't got.)

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Re: The Times wants your views: DNA ethnicity results
« Reply #91 on: Wednesday 03 February 16 14:26 GMT (UK) »
Disclaimer: I am an on-off subscriber to Ancestry but have not taken their DNA test. I have however done yDNA, mtDNA and autosomal DNA tests with ftDNA. I do not claim any expertise on DNA and what follows is purely the personal views of an amateur in this area.

Autosomal DNA
In my opinion this is a pseudo-science and there are more than a few charlatans offering tests in this area. The reason why I say it is a pseudo-science is although there is some science behind the subject there are too many unknowns and assumptions for the claims that are made for the ethnic predictions made. As some posters have observed you get different predictions from different suppliers when using the same raw data. Indeed I have suggested to several people who have taken autosomal tests and been unhappy with the results to use the Gedmatch.com site where they can get several different analysis done on their data with some quite wide variations in the results. I think this is particularly important for anyone who took the Ancestry test as there was some criticism of it when it launched particularly that it was overestimating Irish and Scandinavian ancestry, predictable perhaps given their main market i.e. the US.

To give an example of the differences you can get ftDNA give my ethnic results as 33% Scandinavian, 67% Western and Central European. Using Gedmatch and their Eurogenes K36 Admixture analysis (one of many available) gives the following make-up Basque 1.96%, Central_Euro 5.62%, East_Balkan 1.98%, East_Central_Euro 6.22%, Eastern_Euro   4.87%, Fennoscandian   6.80%, French   10.36%, Iberian   13.77%, Italian   8.24%, North_Atlantic 18.46%, North_Sea 19.09%, Volga-Ural 0.10%, West_Caucasian 1.00%, West_Med 1.54%. Are these two analysis consistent, yes in my opinion they are but as you can see they are widely different. This is why I see autosomal DNA testing for ethnic analysis as a bit of fun and not to be taken at all seriously.

Where Autosomal testing is worthwhile in my view is for those trying to find family members. However this is limited in that autosomal testing for this purpose is only good for about five generations back and is seriously limited by the miniscule number of people testing. Hoping to get far on this requires a bit of luck or a long wait. That said I did make contact with a 4th cousin once removed in the States and we have since confirmed the findings by the good old fashioned paper trail. (There are several closer matches but they can take longer to confirm than people think).

So to the question should I take an Autosomal test my answer would be yes if it was to find relatives and you had low expectations of results. It would also be yes if you were curious on the ethnic mix and were prepared to treat it as a bit of fun, but no if you were going to take it as gospel and therefore potentially be disappointed with the results; as more than a few on this board have been.

I would also advise anyone taking an Autosomal test for the ethnic analysis to also use a comparison site such as Gedmatch to see how much the analyses can vary.

Cost
Several people have commented on the cost question and yes all the tests are costly for what they provide. The way I have explained this in the past to people who have queried this is to say that it is a developing science and you are not just paying for the test but you are contributing to the research to make the results better over time. Some people are prepared to do this and some are not, fair enough. However, there are some companies that have jumped on the DNA testing bandwagon and the fees they charge are way out of line with the more main stream companies. These are the charlatans I referred to previously, they are not in it for the science but just to make a quick buck, but as always buyer beware.

Why test
The reason why I initially took a yDNA test is my direct paternal line comes to a halt in the middle of rural Northumberland in the 1740’s. My hope in taking the test is that eventually someone from a parallel line will take a test and help with the way forward. That was three years ago and as yet nothing but as the longest I have had to wait for a confirmed genealogical fact is thirty years I think I can wait a while longer. The mtDNA and autosomal tests I took were just to complete the set, I did not have any particular expectations for them they were just curiosities. However they have confirmed factors that my yDNA revealed
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Re: The Times wants your views: DNA ethnicity results
« Reply #92 on: Wednesday 03 February 16 14:28 GMT (UK) »
What an interesting subject this is but alas it's one I don't know much - or anything - about to make a valid contribution here. 

But I know at least one person who has had a DNA sample analysed recently.  The results she received were broken down into categories of racial ethnicity but how accurate it really was and what she gained from it in a practical sense I cannot answer.

I remember a chap having his DNA analysed - as part of a television documentary - to prove a connection to Richard III which has been touched on here briefly.  I only thought DNA worked from father to son but obviously it reaches out far and wide.  I can't really remember if the man tested was a direct descendant of King Richard or whether he came through a collateral line via a sister of the king.

I'm absolutely not against DNA testing and could be persuaded to have one if I thought it would resolve more recent dilemmas.  I'm not remotely interested in my racial ethnicity, however.

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Re: The Times wants your views: DNA ethnicity results
« Reply #93 on: Wednesday 03 February 16 14:30 GMT (UK) »
I haven't had a DNA test done, but as I have three direct ancestors who were illegitimate it is something  I would consider if it would  establish who I am actually  descended from. At the moment I'm researching the step fathers of these ancestors  on the grounds that they might be the actual fathers and are family nonetheless.
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Re: The Times wants your views: DNA ethnicity results
« Reply #94 on: Wednesday 03 February 16 14:34 GMT (UK) »
For me genealogy is a bit like doing sudoku just a lot more expensive.

All my relatives are huddled in the north east of Scotland. We were all born above the Tay or at least as far back as the 1700s. I'm not sure why I'd want to use DNA testing, I'm not interested in finding living rellies, I don't care if a Dane put a bairn in my 20 x's great grandmother, I'm not looking to prove I'm related to Lord Saltoun or that I once had a forebearer who knew John Knox although I am minded to say my Granny knew the wifie who knitted Jimmy Shand's socks. ;)

I just like working away on my great big sudoku but I'm lucky my sudoku came with a grid and the starting numbers.

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Re: The Times wants your views: DNA ethnicity results
« Reply #95 on: Wednesday 03 February 16 14:35 GMT (UK) »
For those wondering what DNA can, can't and might do for them, this example may be of interest;

"Richard III's DNA throws up infidelity surprise"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-30281333

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I remember that claim being widely disputed at the time, indeed it may also have been discussed on this forum. Still it just goes to confirm what a shakey area DNA testing can be with pseudo-science and charlatans making assumptions and unsupported claims.
James Stott c1775-1850. James was born in Yorkshire but where? He was a stonemason and married Elizabeth Archer (nee Nicholson) in 1794 at Ripon. They lived thereafter in Masham. If anyone has any suggestions or leads as to his birthplace I would be interested to know. I have searched for it for years without success. Thank you.

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Re: The Times wants your views: DNA ethnicity results
« Reply #96 on: Wednesday 03 February 16 14:37 GMT (UK) »
I think DNA is a very exciting project.

I would love to know the origins/families of ancestors who I can not trace back further  than the mid 1700's.

The more people who take one the cheaper and more reliable the tests become.

 I shall do it when I can afford it to look at my mitochondrial DNA. I may have to get someone to interpret the results for  me - but there are lots of people who can now. And I am curious too.

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Re: The Times wants your views: DNA ethnicity results
« Reply #97 on: Wednesday 03 February 16 14:37 GMT (UK) »
I'm not convinced that this would be worth it for me...It's not an exact science as it is based on the balance of probability...I believe it has its place...but not in my tree...I prefer tangible proof...my certificates tell their own story and the rest may be uncovered by interested parties in the years to come when science has progressed sufficiently to fill in the missing gaps with greater accuracy. Personally, I think it's a money making racket and like anything that is growing in popularity, it's open to abuse.
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Re: The Times wants your views: DNA ethnicity results
« Reply #98 on: Wednesday 03 February 16 14:39 GMT (UK) »
For me genealogy is a bit like doing sudoku just a lot more expensive.


I like that discription  :).

I describe genealogy as doing a jigsaw puzzle only you don't have the box lid to see where the pieces go  ;) (oh and of course you have to go and find the pieces in the first place which leads to many a  ??? moment)
James Stott c1775-1850. James was born in Yorkshire but where? He was a stonemason and married Elizabeth Archer (nee Nicholson) in 1794 at Ripon. They lived thereafter in Masham. If anyone has any suggestions or leads as to his birthplace I would be interested to know. I have searched for it for years without success. Thank you.