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Re: The Times wants your views: DNA ethnicity results
« Reply #54 on: Wednesday 03 February 16 12:59 GMT (UK) »
At the outset I am no expert whatsoever in DNA and can only discuss it from a novice's perspective. ;D

12 of my cousins and I have undertaken our autosomal test through FamilyTree DNA using the Family Finder test.  3 of the men have also had the yDNA test. My partner, and his mother and sister have just submitted their kits this week.

Why did we initially undertake DNA testing?

We were attempting to resolve the question of who was our great grandfather?  Sounds simple but sitting behind that question lies a group of people determined to stop others seeking the truth for a range of reasons.

Outcome

We now know conclusively our 2nd great grandfather & are content :).  However there are still a group of angry people ;D

Other unknowns.

We then set about trying to locate our 3rd great grandmother origins; she grew up on one of the large estates in England.  We know she wasn't a servant but also not recognised openly by the family.  She had a guardian established by the family.

We are currently working on that aspect; all data has been uploaded to GEDMATCH to enable comparison across all testing agencies.  This is proving very interesting.

The ethnicity aspect [My Origins] was fascinating. For example, two of my full brothers and I had very interesting results.  Attached is a clipping for my 2 siblings and I. 

As to my siblings & my origins; whilst we are Australian, in most instances that means we are a rather heterogeneous lot.

Of the 16 - 2nd great grandparents:6 are English, 3 Irish, 2 Welsh, 1 Chinese, 1 Danish, 1 German [NB that adds to 14 but 2 were first cousins and 1 is as yet unknown]

As you can see from the clipping one of us has nil or negligible Scandinavian [0%]  where the other two have a small amount or a much larger amount being 6% & 24%.  The difference in our looks is rather interesting and the one with 24% Scandinavian looks Scandinavian.  The clipping tells the story better than I.

The unknowns in our origins are the 3rd great grandmother, who to date may well have some Jewish elements, the Chinese aspect is unknown other than our 2nd great grandfather hailed from Amoy; where his parents came from is unknown and may never be known.

I am also hoping that we will find a link into our Danish ancestors so still working on that one.

Would I recommend DNA testing?  Yes - I certainly have learned a lot and find it of great interest even though it takes a lot to develop a whole new field of understanding.  However a number of my elderly aunts and uncles would not have their DNA tested at all and seem very resistant to the idea. 

One of my siblings is a tad paranoid and worries about the safety of the results and actual DNA material.  This sibling is not overly trusting of governments and the enforcement agencies even though this siblings has no reason to be concerned and as a result is worried these agencies would be able to access the material..

As to the expense: its maybe 20 cups of coffee at the most.

DNA testing has been of great benefit especially as we have 12 cousins tested - this has helped enormously to identify definate maternal or paternal matches as an example.  Both my parents are deceased so we are unable to use that as a starting point.  My cousin-in-law is currently looking at particular DNA segments and aligning those to lines and this is proving very beneficial.

So yes I recommend it but it really is personal preference.

Westy

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Re: The Times wants your views: DNA ethnicity results
« Reply #55 on: Wednesday 03 February 16 13:01 GMT (UK) »
Family History is my hobby. I have a very tight budget to find out about those who came before me. Bearing that in mind, DNA testing , should I consider going down that route, would be way at the bottom of an extremely long list :-)

For a lot of people who do this sort of thing, the interest lies in the meat we can put on the bones of our ancestors, the tiny glimpses we get of their lives and what they did for a living etc etc. A scientific report that some of my family's DNA originated in wherever would be mildly interesting but that's about it.
I am not yet convinced about DNA testing, not at all sure how to find which companies are reliable and which are jumping on the current bandwagon of interest as a purely commercial venture. As such I think I'll keep what there is in my budget and use it more productively to document my ancestors using conventional resources.

Having said that, if a company starts up that can provide (and prove!)  time travel at a reasonable cost I may start saving - there are a few of my ancestors that I'd would dearly love to have a word with!

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Re: The Times wants your views: DNA ethnicity results
« Reply #56 on: Wednesday 03 February 16 13:02 GMT (UK) »
If national governments world wide established compulsory DNA testing at birth and on all existing folk to compile an international data base, terrorism and crime could gradually be eradicated and the DNA would then be available, if wanted, for Genealogical research.

I can't see that ever happening, especially being made available for genealogical research. If relatively innocent information such as census details is kept secret under the 100 year rule, just think of the outcry if potentionally very personal information from DNA testing was made available to all.
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Re: The Times wants your views: DNA ethnicity results
« Reply #57 on: Wednesday 03 February 16 13:02 GMT (UK) »
I know nothing about DNA apart from finding out if a child is the offspring of it's parents (a la Jeremy Kyle) But would have no idea how it would help in finding ancestors.....mine are all dead!

I prefer to use the centuries old methods of parish records and BMD certificates  ;D

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Re: The Times wants your views: DNA ethnicity results
« Reply #58 on: Wednesday 03 February 16 13:05 GMT (UK) »
Uhm!!!

how do I feel about DNA testing -- is a good question, that I am not sure I can answer as I really am not sure I understand totally what the results would mean to me. 
(That opening paragraph - shows exactly my confused state of mind regarding this subject... ha ha  ;D ;) ;) ;) Sorry - )
I started this FH lark to discover my family and have done so.  Discovering  many generations of which the main percentage are UK born and bred.   -----

The possibilities of going much further back to discover the absolute genetic make up, I am not sure is for me. 
My Paternal - paternal side goes back to 1700's in SCOTLAND -  and yes of course I would like to know if my Sylvester 1739 is descended from The Vikings... (I love Kirk Douglas  ::) ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D)  -  I do know that on my Maternal - Paternal side my Hellyars may well come from somewhere in Europe.

What will it give me now - at this time of my life,  to know this?  I am unsure. 
So then this is maybe something more  for any descendants that follow me, which will enable  them, in this unsettled world -  proof of their ACTUAL Ethnicity or as we call it ROOTS -  then they can shout out I am 9 generations full blood European or English or whatever the case may be...

So then (- is it? or -)  it is?  a good idea to trace your DNA and if I was 35 and felt I had all the time in the world to do more with the facts that were found then I would do so... definitely.


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Re: The Times wants your views: DNA ethnicity results
« Reply #59 on: Wednesday 03 February 16 13:08 GMT (UK) »
Not too interested in DNA testing re my research and at the moment it is not affordable for me even if i did go down that route...saying that and you may think this sounds strange but i have had many holidays in the Greek Islands and other countries but i do feel i have an affinity with Greece as if i've gone home which i don't get with other countries..i do feel so comfortable there...so maybe if it was more affordable it might have me changing my mind just on the inquisitive side of it.

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Re: The Times wants your views: DNA ethnicity results
« Reply #60 on: Wednesday 03 February 16 13:08 GMT (UK) »
Carol 8353

Love your response, and you said what I wanted to say, in the right amount of words. 
still giggling and wishing I had said the same :) :) :) :) :)

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Re: The Times wants your views: DNA ethnicity results
« Reply #61 on: Wednesday 03 February 16 13:09 GMT (UK) »
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.  The ethnicity aspect [My Origins] was fascinating. For example, two of my full brothers and I had very interesting results.  Attached is a clipping for my 2 siblings and I. 
               

That is what I don't understand. If you are full siblings how come the results are different as you all share the same parents, grandparents etc?
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Re: The Times wants your views: DNA ethnicity results
« Reply #62 on: Wednesday 03 February 16 13:11 GMT (UK) »
My views on DNA testing are the same as KGarrad and, have no use for it.

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I too agree.  I have followed with interest the for and against and it is not for me.  In my ignorance when I first heard the word DNA I thought we would be matched with people.  I did wonder how that would be possible as  I realise an  ancestor from 1600 would not have given any DNA. Once I learned what it was really about I lost interest.  I know my ancestors came from UK as far back as 1500 that is good enough for me.  I cannot see that having the test would bring anything to my research,  IMO.

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