Marriage certificate for Thomas Kavanagh only so is it possible to find him?

[eyshame]

Any thing is possible I totally agree.

CBK's birth is 01.08.1896.

Patrick's first wife, Suzanna, nee Tyson, died in 1897 in Durham but being coal miner too and from what JenB says maybe Patrick was the father and she just named TK as such. But why would she do that?

[aghadowey]

When the (married) mother of a child went to register the birth it was assumed that the husband was the child's father (I think this has perhaps already been said?).

[eyshame]

But as she reported TK as CBK's father isn't she running a risk of being found out lying?

OK, she could have had an affair with Patrick and CBK could be his and she just named her hubby to divert talk - guess that is possible too.

Patricks and Marg's grandchildren and great grandchildren live near by but they won't help as they found out their mother, Suzanna, born after CBK, was born out of wedlock and they, being Catholic, won't accept that so won't help at all - I tried. they have photos of Marg and Patrick but won't share at all. Shame they feel like that but...   

[Annette7]

Have poor law records been looked at?   If Thomas died/left her she may well have had to apply for parish relief and these records can often show why said person is having to apply to the parish.   Whilst this could reveal what happened to Thomas i.e. death or abandoning her, it is not going to give his birth details.   At best it will only be known what became of him.

We keep coming back to where it all started - a Thomas Kavanagh bc.1866/67, Coal Miner (literate), son of John Kavanagh, labourer married to Margaret McCoy in 1894.   It is not known where he was born and he wasn't around in 1891.  If the church record of the marriage does not reveal any further details then I don't think it's going to be possible to learn any further details of his roots.

Annette 

[JenB]

For elimination purposes this looks like the Thomas who died in 1894. We know he was a cartman.

1891 census
RG 12 / 4181 / 25 / 6
in the household of Frank Bush
6, Lambton Street Gateshead
Thomas Carannah, lodger, un, 24, Cartman, Durham Gateshead

RG 11/ 5033/126/33
11 Cato Street, Gateshead
Katherine Cavannah, head, widow, 42, general servant, Ireland
with four children Michael aged 19, Mary Jane aged 12, Catherine aged 10 and
Thomas Cavannah, son, unm, 15, Labourer Machiners, Durham Gateshead

RG 10 / 5054 / 78 / 21
Veitch's Buildings Gateshead
Thomas Cavanagh, head, mar, 38, labourer, Ireland
Katherine Cavanagh, wife, mar, 33, Ireland
with four children, michael 9, Mary Jane 3, Catherine 1 and
Thomas Cavanagh, son, 5, scholar, Durham Gateshead

[eyshame]

Annette7, I know nothing of the Poor Laws and no idea how or here to start but yes, it might give a clue. Even if we find out death or abandonment it would be something.

I am waiting for the Church wedding info from Durham and will write as soon as I find out - even if there is no  information.
Many thanks again
E.

[eyshame]

Durham records office have confirmed they have the Church marriage papers of TK and M. McC but will not give any further information at all so another dead end. Was told it will take about two weeks to have it posted to me so thought someone on Look-ups might be quicker for now.  I will also ask any friends if they will be going to Durham in the near future but for now another let down.

[rachelralph]

i think if someone was able to look up the marriage they would have done so already. you might have to wait the 2 weeks for it to be posted to you.

[JenB]

Durham records office have confirmed they have the Church marriage papers of TK and M. McC but will not give any further information at all so another dead end

another let down

My suggestion of contacting Durham Records Office was based on the presumption that you would be willing to pay their very reasonable copying cost to obtain the marriage record from the church register.

There was never any suggestion on my part that they would give you the information over the phone.

I am amazed that you aren't willing to pay this and expect someone to go and do a look up for you.

I and others have given a lot of time to this search, which makes it all the more disappointing and demoralizing to realize that you are unwilling to pay this small amount of money for a record that might possibly be of assistance.