Marriage certificate for Thomas Kavanagh only so is it possible to find him?

[JenB]

On the 1911 census Cath Bridget is listed as a McIntyre living at Anfield Terr, Catchgate, Durham.  Why not use her real name of Kavanagh?

I've seen a lot of examples in various censuses of children taking on the surname of a stepfather. It's not unusual.

[Annette7]

The fact that TK is not named as the father of JTK - just 'A Gateshead Miner' says to me that TK was not the father at all!   TK could have 'disappeared' a lot earlier than you think.

Annette



 

[JenB]

So migration as someone suggested earlier is not possible?

Migration is absolutely possible. It's just that, as Aghadowey said,  there are no records of movements between, say England and Ireland.

There are lots of records of men called Thomas Kavanagh travelling out to the USA. But proving that any of them was 'your' Thomas just about impossible I'd imagine 

[JenB]

The fact that TK is not named as the father of JTK - just 'A Gateshead Miner' says to me that TK was not the father at all!   TK could have 'disappeared' a lot earlier than you think.

My thoughts exactly. Patrick could equally well have been his father.

Added - please see my reply #69 below.

[LizzieL]

JenB, your find is interesting. I know Margaret's brothers, Mathew and Michael, were living in the same area certainly on the 1901 census at 21 Walker Street Gateshead, Cath B was born at 12 Walker street Gateshead in 1896. The librarian told me that as Marg was not a rent paying person she wouldn't be listed and children were not listed either under a certain age and Cath B would only have been 5 then.   

My understanding was that a census included everyone (or should do) and that it didn't exclude certain categories, such as non rent payers or very young children.

[Annette7]

Have looked at all the T/Thomas Cavanagh/Kavanagh's of the right age leaving the UK 1895-1899 and most were single and labourers, one an agricultural labourer and another a Clerk, one with a wife named Ann.  Nothing fits with the little we know (plus he could have lied anyway).

Annette

[JenB]

JenB, your find is interesting. I know Margaret's brothers, Mathew and Michael, were living in the same area certainly on the 1901 census at 21 Walker Street Gateshead, Cath B was born at 12 Walker street Gateshead in 1896. The librarian told me that as Marg was not a rent paying person she wouldn't be listed and children were not listed either under a certain age and Cath B would only have been 5 then.   

My understanding was that a census included everyone (or should do) and that it didn't exclude certain categories, such as non rent payers or very young children.

Eyshame are you saying that the librarian told you that, for the reasons you stated, Margaret and Catherine wouldn't appear on the 1901 census ? Surely not!

[JenB]

Eyshame, I am getting very confused.

Earlier today you said that John Thomas's birth certificate did not give a father's name

JTK died in Walkergate hospital Newcastle upon Tyne of an infectious disease but buried from 28 Upton Street Gateshead as you say.  Mother was the informant. I haven't been able to track down a baptismal record for him (JTK) so wondering if he was baptised in hospital. His birth cert says his father is 'A GATESHEAD MINER' no name given which I thought very odd but mother's name is Marg Kavanagh.

However in an earlier reply you said that the father was named

Thanks venelow, That is my grandmother and yes I have her birth cert and yes Thomas is listed as father however, on her marriage cert John Thomas is listed as father. To sort this out I fond a JT who died in 1900 aged 1 year. I then found his burial place and followed that to the address he was buried from, it was a known family address and Marg was living there at the time so I am happy this was her son and my grandmother's brother.

I bought JTK's birth cert and Thomas K is listed as father with mother being the same. I can only guess that as she was only 6 years old when her mother remarried she did not know of her brother so mixed the names up in later life, but I am happy with the evidence that John Thomas K is son of TK and brother to CBK as mother's name and address are the same.

Which is correct - is Thomas named or not? If not, as Annette has said, this means that he could well have vanished from the scene shortly after Catherine's birth, which could account for non-appearance in 1901.

We are all more than willing to help, but in order to do so we really do need consistent information 

[rachelralph]

i have been following this post with much interest as i myself have a gentleman who is much more recent in terms of dates, but i cannot find where he went. nothing adds up and ive been searching for a LONG time. every so often i will come back to it and find another tiny little piece of information about him online. remember records are being added online all the time. i just wanted to tell you not to give up. let it lie a little, then come back to it and go through it all piece by tiny piece only writing down what you know as fact, rather than guess or hopes. you never know something might come to light later on.

also i know you are all far more experienced than me and some of you have probably looked but has anyone checked online newspapers? with my man i looked for just the surname (it was anusual one to be fair though) and a county in the search box. 3 or 4 times i over looked the article that was the key to some of my research. my man had an alias which was used in the paper, but his mother didnt which the paper also refered to in the same aritcle.

dont want to confuse everyone search more, but just thought to suggest it. i have no credits left to do any searches in online newspapers.