Marriage certificate for Thomas Kavanagh only so is it possible to find him?

[venelow]

Thank you Annette for your explanation about the true identity of Kate and Margaret in 1901. A truly bizarre situation. I did recommend that the whole family be investigated but was unaware that this candidate had already been eliminated.

Eysham I'm sure you have thought about emigration. Miners went all over the world. Did you check with the Mining Museum or Local Archives to see if any particular place was advertising to Durham miners in the 1890s? Might give you a place to check. He could have met with an accident or disease before Margaret could join him.

Like Annette, I have tried all the sources I have access to so  I can only wish you good luck in your quest.

Venelow

[eyshame]

Venelow, I haven't checked migration. Didn't think of it given he had a small daughter at home and probably other family somewhere nearby I think. I wouldn't have a clue how to do that as I have no access to anything really unless free at the moment. It is an idea though so thanks.

Larkspur, i recall reading that site - thanks.

Hoping the Catholic Marriage cert will have more information on than the GRO one. What does it usually contain? Any chance it will give any info on mother of TK?

Does no one feel that a link to the 1871 and 1881 census mentioned is connected to TK or was I really grasping at straws?
E.

[JenB]

Hoping the Catholic Marriage cert will have more information on than the GRO one. What does it usually contain? Any chance it will give any info on mother of TK

There is absolutely no guarantee in this particular case, but there are examples of the officiating priest giving the names of the mothers as well as the fathers, even in some cases the mother's maiden name.

[Annette7]

Does no one feel that a link to the 1871 and 1881 census mentioned is connected to TK or was I really grasping at straws?
E.

I personally feel that the 1871/1881 census details already mentioned are not connected and that, as these were a couple of possible TK's (both younger than your TK) in Durham you were convincing yourself 'it must be him' and trying to make things fit. 

Annette



 

[JenB]

Does no one feel that a link to the 1871 and 1881 census mentioned is connected to TK

The problem is that it's now clear that (as yet) there's no evidence linking 'your' Thomas Kavanagh who married Margaret Mc Coy in 1894 back to the Thomas you found in the 1871 and 1881 censuses.

It is possible its the same person, although ages don't tie up, but equally possible, as Annette has said, that your Thomas was an Irish immigrant.

Clutching at straws..... I see that John Thomas's death was registered in Newcastle upon Tyne, but he's buried in Gateshead. Durham Records Online gives the residence as 28 Upton Street Gateshead. What was the address in Newcastle for place of death? Who was the informant?

[JenB]

the residence as 28 Upton Street Gateshead.

1901 census shows 28 Upton Street Gateshead 'to let' 

I wonder if this might be Margaret in 1901, using her maiden name (I'm clutching at straws again  ) Birthplace is the same as in 1911 

RG 13 / 4760 / 102 / 11
High Street, Gateshead (can't make out the number)
in the household of William Watson
Meggie McCoy, serv, s, 26, housekeeper domestic, Durham Leadgate.

And if it is her, where is Catherine?

[eyshame]

Thanks for the information.
JTK died in Walkergate hospital Newcastle upon Tyne of an infectious disease but buried from 28 Upton Street Gateshead as you say.  Mother was the informant. I haven't been able to track down a baptismal record for him (JTK) so wondering if he was baptised in hospital. His birth cert says his father is 'A GATESHEAD MINER' no name given which I thought very odd but mother's name is Marg Kavanagh.

JenB, your find is interesting. I know Margaret's brothers, Mathew and Michael, were living in the same area certainly on the 1901 census at 21 Walker Street Gateshead, Cath B was born at 12 Walker street Gateshead in 1896. The librarian told me that as Marg was not a rent paying person she wouldn't be listed and children were not listed either under a certain age and Cath B would only have been 5 then.  The age would fit too as Marg was born 1874 Daisy Hill Leadgate Durham to Owen and Ann Mc Coy. Why would she be using her maiden name? Even if Thomas was dead then would she not keep his name? It would be way too much of a coincidence to have two Marg Mc Coys' living at the address with the same ages and being born at the same place surely? 

On the 1911 census Cath Bridget is listed as a McIntyre living at Anfield Terr, Catchgate, Durham.  Why not use her real name of Kavanagh?

My head is suggesting that perhaps Thomas, as you say, was an immigrant, a navie, and they married but maybe he did die, or left her for some reason, maybe returning to Ireland himself somewhere between Cath Bridget being born in 1896 and the son JTK be conceived or dying in 1899/1900. Again guess work on my part. 

I have never found any records for Thom Kavanagh working as a miner and Durham Mining have long lists going back a long way which is how I found Patrick McIntyre's sons working in Lanchester as miners. I have never found a death or any other records for Thomas other than a marriage cert. If I can get mother's maiden name from the marriage cert maybe I can trace that link - I hope.

I have never had access to immigrant records so not followed that lead up as no idea how to or where to start.

I have contacted  Durham records office and will find out tomorrow - I have everything tightly crossed that the priest listed mother's maiden name or an address or something I can follow.

Again many thanks to you all for the information, it is interesting.
E.

[aghadowey]

Ireland was part of the U.K. so no records were kept of people travelling between Ireland and England, Scotland and Wales.

[eyshame]

So migration as someone suggested earlier is not possible?