Marriage certificate for Thomas Kavanagh only so is it possible to find him?

[eyshame]

Very many thanks taffie01. I cannot find him registered anywhere so a baptismal record is what I am interested in.

[Annette7]

My personal feeling is that from his marriage in 1894 you only know that when he married he was 27 (bc.1866/67), that he was a Coal Miner, son of a John who was a Labourer and as he can't be found in 1891, I suspect he was probably born in Ireland.   

Because there a couple of 'possibilities' living in Durham I feel you are trying to make the pieces fit but both of these people are younger than someone born 1866/67. 

Although I can't prove a word of it, it's possible he joined the army and took part/was killed in the Boer War thus making Margaret a widow and enabling her to remarry.   Unfortunately, there are umpteen people with his name who were born around 1866/67 in Ireland and joined the army.

I do appreciate your frustration but with just the marriage certificate to go by, and his absence in 1891, you really do not know where he was born.

Annette

[larkspur]

"you only know that when he married he was 27 (bc.1866/67), that he was a Coal Miner, son of a John who was a Labourer"

My great grandmother - from Scotland - married in England. Her marriage certificate has the wrong age and  father on the cert. He is actually her grandfather- she was illegitimate.

If TK did come from Ireland he could make up anything if he so wished......

[davidft]

I do appreciate your frustration but

have you read the numerous previous threads on this topic ? Advice has been given over and over again that the OP has not followed. How can you help in a situation like that ?

[larkspur]

  because we are all lovely on here

[JenB]

I suspect he was probably born in Ireland.   

Hmmmm 
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=449757.msg3118649#msg3118649

My great grand father was Thomas Kavanagh sone of John and Catherine nee Carton, born Annamoe 1865 with brother Lawrence born 1866 and later a brother John but no idea where he was born as yet.
John and Catherine came to England but don't know when and Thomas married in Co Durham in 1894 but, after over 10 years, i have never  been able to find his death anywhere.

[Annette7]

I do appreciate your frustration but

have you read the numerous previous threads on this topic ? Advice has been given over and over again that the OP has not followed. How can you help in a situation like that ?

Indeed I have , davidft.   I had to in an effort to find out all that was 'known' about said Thomas and what had been said before.   Not a good idea to keep starting new threads about the same thing.

Have just read even earlier threads in 2009/2010 - feel I'm going round in circles.   So, back then,

I suspect he was probably born in Ireland.   

Hmmmm 
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=449757.msg3118649#msg3118649

My great grand father was Thomas Kavanagh sone of John and Catherine nee Carton, born Annamoe 1865 with brother Lawrence born 1866 and later a brother John but no idea where he was born as yet.
John and Catherine came to England but don't know when and Thomas married in Co Durham in 1894 but, after over 10 years, i have never  been able to find his death anywhere.

1. Where has the information re. both his parents names come from?

2. Where has the information of his birth of 1865 in Annamoe, Wicklow come from?  (OP is now looking at Thomas' born Durham?? - says marriage certificate gives John as a labourer in 1894 but states in other threads he was a Coal Miner and I'm getting more confused by the minute)?

There is no trace of Thomas on 1891 Census so have only the given marriage details to go by - we need the exact details given at time of his marriage - is this just from the GRO marriage certificate or is it the actual RC marriage entry which gives more detail I believe.

Back to basics I feel - starting with what is 'known' (or stated).   I'd love to be able to help but conflicting information is making it so difficult.

Annette

[eyshame]

Thanks Annette7. In truth all I do have evidence of is his marriage certificate, a real one. He was married to Margaret Mc Coy in April 1894 at Lanchester Co Durham. Father John listed as a labourer. TK is said to be aged 27 and could read and write while she could not hence and X for signature. This is in reality my only true evidence the rest I admit is supposition on my part but I had to follow something as I was on my own at the time and had not found this forum.

From there, I searched the census records and came up with the 1871 census RG10/4953 and then the 1881 census RG11/4925 as they seemed a good fit. I followed John K, sibling, to Gateshead where he married. If indeed this is TK's sibling as I now in total doubt myself and questioning everything again myself.

TK's wife remarried in 1902 to a Patrick McIntyre so TK was either dead or it was an illegal marriage, both possible but I cannot find a death cert for TK. The 1911 census has Patrick and Margaret married for 20 years which is untrue. Marriage cert reads she is a widow but found no death to fit.

I bought a birth cert from Ireland taking a chance hence the Carlton name which I hoped I could follow and accept or reject.   

Happy to go back to basics as I have plodded alone and may have missed something. I too am now confused and very frustrated and wanting to give up all together as a bad job.
Many thanks Annette7.

[lizdb]

Can we take it back a step further?

You say all you have is the marriage cert. So what led you to get this marriage cert? What is your interest in Thomas? Presumably you didn't just stick a pin in the marriage index and say "I'll order that one!", so presumably you know something about Thomas's family. 
(I haven't read the previous threads to see if this has already been addressed, I do confess)