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Re: Barriers To Genealogy In The Future
« Reply #135 on: Monday 01 February 16 08:11 GMT (UK) »
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There were two similar incidents here in South Australia in the 1960's; the disappearance of the Beaumont children in 1966, and the disappearance of two girls from the Adelaide Oval in 1973.
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« Reply #136 on: Monday 01 February 16 08:18 GMT (UK) »
Yes Pinefamily,  I remember the newscoverage in NSW for those too.   But the Thorne case involved the Army out searching, searching, searching, and probably because our family had recently got an HMV TV and it was daily on the news,  it was drummed into us kids "do not talk to strangers" .... We even learnt which adults in our parents' lives were not as reliable as perhaps we thought they were "Don't talk to Mr ...... " "Don't go to Mr ...... shop without ME"   "Don't take the washing off the line at Mrs .............."  (on way home from school if it starts to rain)  etc etc.... and then even after the discovery of the lad's body ...."Don't accept any lifts"  "Don't talk to the milkman"  etc etc "DONT" was the operative word.

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Re: Barriers To Genealogy In The Future
« Reply #137 on: Monday 01 February 16 08:31 GMT (UK) »
Yes, I had it drummed into me as a young boy to not talk to strangers, not accept lifts from strangers, not talk to men in public toilets, the list goes on. I don't recall the Beaumonts, but I can recall the outcry in 1973 when Joanne Radcliffe and Kirsty Gordon disappeared from Adelaide Oval.
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« Reply #138 on: Monday 01 February 16 10:11 GMT (UK) »
The sad part now about teaching our children about stranger danger is the abuse that happens frequently from within the child's own family and friends!  Very sad, and the rate of child abuse from within the wider family, and frequently child death as a result, has escalated here in recent years!
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Re: Barriers To Genealogy In The Future
« Reply #139 on: Monday 01 February 16 10:28 GMT (UK) »


I have often wondered if the seemingly horrible upswing in cases of child and spousal abuse is merely because folk are not remaining silent and are speaking out instead of "keeping it behind closed doors"

I think we all had it drummed into us as kids, we also had a spate of highly publicized disappearances of young girls here in the 80's, they were never found and the suspects committed suicide when the police closed in on them after one of their victims managed to escape and alert them.
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« Reply #140 on: Monday 01 February 16 10:54 GMT (UK) »
I think you're right about people not speaking out and keeping things behind closed doors 3SG!   But having had to refer some of my students, reading court proceedings and watching the trial details etc on the news, it's becoming obvious from the evidence in a lot of cases that sadly, a good number of families are still covering thing up! 

A lot of cases that should have been reported are not referred to the appropriate agencies while the abuse is happening, it is only usually when the child( sadly usually a baby) is taken to hospital because it's unconscious or for another serious injury, that the previous abuse comes to light! 

Nowadays, day care centres and schools have suspected child abuse policies, and are picking up a lot that way, and referrals are mandatory.  But very sad to say in some cases, the abuse has actually happened at Day Care and School, and by the very people that are supposed to be protecting the children from this sort of thing.  It's becoming a sad world when you don't know who to trust with your children! 

When I was teaching, I had to make a number of referrals to my Principal, who would check it out and pass it on to the authorities - it's an awful thing to have to do - giving evidence etc.,  but even worse to later know that others in the family, and friends-were aware of it!
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Re: Barriers To Genealogy In The Future
« Reply #141 on: Monday 01 February 16 11:23 GMT (UK) »
Which all runs back to openess.
Secrets harm.

We cannot protect our children by keeping them within sight and under our control children have to be allowed the freedom to understand danger.
By shutting them away we simply transfer the time they face the dangers we do not remove the danger.
Children learn by experience a fall from a swing teaches them if they climb high and fall it will hurt even more than falling from the swing so they take precautions.
In a similar manner children learn from their interaction with other children that people may appear to be friendly but in reality are out to hurt them.

Teach your children to be open and speak about things the more confidence they have to speak about anyhting good or bad the less chance of problems for them in the future.

Children like all young animals learn by example, if the parents are secretive the children become secretive as a result they will get hurt in the long run.

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« Reply #142 on: Monday 01 February 16 11:58 GMT (UK) »
Very good points Guy!

Another thing that also comes up frequently is the the impression that all children who are abused and neglected are from families in distress or suffering poverty! That word poverty is used an awful lot in an attempt to justify bad habits and bad behavioural morals!

That's just nonsense!  Abuse is abuse and neglect is abuse.  No matter if it's a white collar, blue collar, or a diamond collar, the fact remains - any form of abuse towards a child,  or an adult, is just plain wrong!
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Re: Barriers To Genealogy In The Future
« Reply #143 on: Monday 01 February 16 12:08 GMT (UK) »
I agree Guy and JB, we can only do our best to protect our children but have to learn from interaction with others.

Is it not abuse because the family is well off and the parents drop the child/children off with money/credit card so that they can follow their own interests at the nearest mall and come back many hours later??? They have no idea what the kids have been up to in the hours they have been on their own, all they know is they have had a good time...............

It is also now mandatory here to report suspected child abuse, but sadly it also too often goes unnoticed/unreported until it is too late to save the child
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