Help with difficult Scottish death record

[Famtreebuilder]

Thanks Annie - I see Beadle now too and John MacArthur is right but it's registrar not nephew.  I had another look at the entries above and one of them has "John MacArthur, Registrar, Witness" on it.

I don't know if Archibald had any siblings since I'm not sure on his parents - that's what I'd love to try and find out.  The only baptism for an Archibald Sommerville in the right time period and right place to a James and Margaret took place 22nd Jul 1798 in Old Monkland and the mother's maiden name was Henry which doesn't match the death.  Either that's correct and the death cert is wrong or my Archibald's baptism wasn't recorded (quite probable).

Thanks again.

Edit to add - yes he did have children with middle names (two I can link to his wife's mother but there is one that I don't know about and that is Frew).

[Rosinish]

Quite often children don't know their grandmother's maiden name.........I've had it a few times myself.

It is also possible that Archibald's father married a 2nd time & only her maiden name remembered?

Worth looking for children of Archibald with both womens names & compare dates if any are found?

Also the surname could be a link with the James Hendry Beadle mentioned although a variant of Henry???

www.familysearch.org

Annie

[Rosinish]

I wonder if what looks like Frame could be Frew 

Annie

[Famtreebuilder]

Yes that's very true - I've seen many mistakes on mother's maiden name on death certificates so I don't look on them with any certainty unless there are other primary records that confirm the same maiden name.  Also true Archibald's father could have married twice.

I've searched for children of a James Sommerville with a Margaret Frame, Margaret Frew and Margaret Irvine but there's nothing - of course that's not to say such a couple didn't exist, just that there are no baptismal records online.  The only one that yields anything is James and Margaret Henry but it's definitely not Henry on the death cert - again that doesn't mean she wasn't Archibald's mother and William just got the name wrong.  There could have been confusion as Archibald wife was Agnes Henry and perhaps William didn't know or realise his grandmother's surname was the same as his mother's. No way to prove it though.

James Hendry (Beadle) was what passes for the "undertaker" in that column so unlikely to be related but you never know.

I've wondered if it could be Frew too but it really doesn't look like it 

[ecksdochter]

Hello Farmtreebuilder,
     I would ask SP for a re-scan because the one part impossible to make out is the maiden name of Archibald's mother. Death Certificates would normally give the mother's married name followed by her maiden name but there appears to be just one name here. I don't think anything has been rubbed out. Any changes on a Certificate would have a note in the margin initialled by the Registrar.
     Here's my attempt. Not sure of the first letter in the Doctor's surname.
     Sommervill, Archibald, Collier, Widower.
     1859, June, Second. 9h 30m P.M. Poorhouse.
     M(ale). 59 Years.
     James Sommerville, Labourer, Deceased.
     Margaret  ------, Deceased. (Might be Irvine)
     Dysentery, 3 Weeks, Simon ?urrock, M.D. June 2nd.
     New Monkland Churchyard. James Hendry, Beadle.
     (Signed) William Sommervill, His X Mark, Son. (Signed) John Macarthur, Registrar, Witness.
     1859, June 3rd. At New Monkland. (Signed) John Macarthur, Registrar.
               Regards,     Dod.

[Famtreebuilder]

Thanks Dod - I think we've got pretty much all of it now (apart from being sure on Margaret's maiden name).  I'll definitely ask them for a re-scan.

[Rosinish]

I've searched for children of a James Sommerville with a Margaret Frame, Margaret Frew and Margaret Irvine but there's nothing

Frame may have been an error, knowing her maiden name began with "F"

Have you searched for a death of a Margaret, surname Sommervile (soundex) other name Frew/Frame?

Annie

[Famtreebuilder]

Yes I've searched Annie but there's nothing - this is not surprising though.  She had Archibald in the 1790s so her death is highly likely to have occurred pre-1855 and pre-1855 Scottish death records are sparse.

[annmck]

Margaret IRVINE

Simon STURROCK