Should I give up?

[BostonLil]

I know nothing about the Chartists, but have done a quick search on the old Interweb.

I wonder if your correspondent is getting your Ellis family mixed up with others.  There is a page here where William Ellis bc 1810 and Edward Ellis bc 1822 are mentioned in a list of those transported.

http://www.chartists.net/crime-and-punishment/chartists-transported-to-australia/

From newspapers October 1842, the William Ellis referred to above was a Potter from Burslem who was arrested in Glasgow, where he was working under an assumed name.

There are a couple of pages in the Wolverhampton Chronicle and Staffordshire Advertiser 19 October 1842, where numerous people are charged in connection with riots / house demolition / thefts etc - including Edward Ellis.

It might be worthwhile, if this person contacts you again, for you to ask them what evidence they have that your Ellis family were Chartists.  There certainly were some Chartists called Ellis - but it isn't an uncommon name and it's a huge leap to connect to your family who are quite well documented, and with no suggestion of any Chartist connection.

[jbml]

Description of the Century : Trained driver ....           

Best explanation ever

I am in NSW Australia, jbml, may I please use your explanation when discussing just about any topic (not just family history) with family and friends and workmates too 

Cheers, JM (NSW centric)

Of course you may.

(My brother's at UWS ... )

[Janelle]

Many Thanks to Janelle-Jbml and Bostin Lil  for taking the time and interest, to reply.

My theory...may be a bit too simple..Charles Mills, although not married to Cath's Mother Sarah Ellis
(Mills 1841+51 cens.) was possibly a step-father to Cath. step-grandfather to her children

Bapt.Sarah Littlewood 1797 Sheffield Yorksh. Parents John+Catherine
(Found Sarah's mother + siblings in census at Quarry Bank kingswinford Staffs))
Sarah has an illig son John Littlewood 1820 Dudley Worcs
Correct marriage 1821 Kingswinford Wlm Ellis + Sarah Littlewood
Bapt Dudley Cath + Edward Ellis 1824 parents Wlm + Sarah
Possible burial St Thomas Dudley 1829 Wlm Ellis age 33...age near enough fits with..
Baptism Wlm Ellis 1797 Oldswinford Worcs Parents Wlm + Elizabeth
1841 Charles + Sarah Mills + Cath. Ellis Dudley
1841 John Littlewood (1820) lodging next door but one..to John..Edward Ellis (have Edwards
marriage info. Father Wlm Ellis shoemaker (dec)
1851 Charles + Sarah Mills + Cath Ellis Dudley.
1851 Birth John Evan Ellis (When I applied for cert.mothers name correct but no father..so did'nt
buy)
           >>>

So Jackie,

forget that unhelpful professional, dismiss her from your mind !! 

Can we please have a smiley doing a thumb-your-nose-action, I think that would be a more appropriate sentiment for what I feel on your behalf than the "mild' sticking-out-of-tongue. 

You have your Ellis Mills Littlewood people sorted clearly enough. 

Being able to peg them every 10 years in census is wonderful. 

Have you told us when Charles Mills died? do you have his cert? It might be interesting who was the informant, might fill out his place in these women's lives.

Just a shame that the father's name is so often not entered on birth certs of single women's children, as is your John Evan's case.

Me, I would buy all and any certs anyway, especially if the person was my direct line. I would want that piece of paper, especially now that the GRO is all digital and you get a copy of the real original entry, not a contemporary handwritten certified copy. 

Salute,

Janelle
 

[jacquelineve]

Janelle
         I'm afraid funds are limited re. certificates....but I do now feel quite happy with my research,
especially after every ones thoughts.

I have tried one last more time asking for ...well even the slightest of evidence supporting this
persons claims....have'nt heard back yet...so, I think  I'll be putting an end to this.

Thank you ..and the same to every one else who has taken an interest.

Jackie

[ThrelfallYorky]

Isn't it just as we all said early on? Best Expert Base in existence for Family History research? Glad it all seems to be working out so well. Keep us posted.

[groom]

I think the fact you haven't heard back from her says it all. Normally it is the other way round isn't it, people who are told their trees could be wrong not answering? In your case you are willing to listen and take into account what she says, but she doesn't seem that eager to try and convince you. I get the feeling that faced with the fact you have obviously collected evidence and not just name grabbed, maybe she is starting to doubt her own research.

[jacquelineve]

 When I first heard from this person..I was over the moon..as I'd been trying for ages to make
contact with someone from this branch of the family..all I wanted to do...was pass my info on,but it
was also quite sad..as my Dad had passed away only two weeks before, and knew that branch
quite well ...from when he was a child.

 Oh well..that's life!

Jackie
p.s Must add..that I've been well pleased with others that have agreed with my research (I shall
have a head as big as a bucket)

[clairec666]

Looks to me like your research is pretty sound. And without this "trained social historian" providing evidence to compare against yours, you've got no reason to doubt it.

I love the analogy about trained drivers. I guess a lot of us here don't have any official training in family history, but we're pretty good at it. In studying something we're genuinely interested in, we learn as we go, and have put a good number of hours into it. How can a certificate prove someone is a better researcher?

I also think it's a bit rude to jump in and tell someone their research is wrong, even if you're 100% sure they're wrong. But maybe that's just me....

[groom]

I agree Claire, and I think that is something that has been discussed many times on here. There are ways of approaching people if you think they may have gone wrong, and the "I'm right you're wrong," isn't one of them.

Lots of us on here are doing the free FutureLearn genealogy course which starts in March, does that mean that after we've completed it we can all claim to be "Trained Historians"?