All Saints Newcastle upon Tyne lookup - HENZIL/HENZELL

[WRAG]

I had thought the death might be the one I was looking for as it fitted nicely between will date and probate.  While suggestive that is not proof that it is the same man as the name Joseph is, as you have noticed, quite common. 

The will that mentions Joseph and his son John was that of Cuthbert Chesman of Longhautonm gent.  It was signed on 11 July 1729 and proved 14 October 1729. (DPR/I/1/1729/C6)

There are two relevant bequests in the will.

First: "unto my nephews Joseph Henzell Pergrin Henzell & John More five shillings a peice"

Second: regarding the descent of a family estate, which, after the death of the testator's brother, was to pass to "John Henzell eldest son of my nephew Joseph Henzell."

I think this means that this Joseph was alive in July 1729. 

I have foud four Josephs who could have been buried in 1728.  One (Joseph of the Bill House) had married Isabel Davison at All Saints in 1707 and died between 1727 and 1730.  Another married Margaret Henzell at All Saints in January 1712/13.  A third married Sarah Hall at Bedlington in 1718.  As Margaret, wife of the second Joseph, had died in 1715 the third Joseph could be the same person as the second Joseph.  There was also a fourth Joseph who had children baptised from 1690 to 1712, with all from 1702 on being baptised at All Saints.

William

[davidft]

Yes it gets complicated when there are several Joseph's around.

I don't know what wills you have looked at but one site that may help you if you are not aware of it it the north east inheritance database

http://familyrecords.dur.ac.uk/nei/data/download.php  (full list by alphabetical index)

http://familyrecords.dur.ac.uk/nei/data/simple.php (search for a name and get a link)

it lists the pre 1858 wills it has and then gives a link to familysearch where you can see and read the will (and other documents). eg Joseph Henzell 1730 has three links

will, 12 April 1727 (DPR/I/1/1730/H15/1-2)
registered copy of will, 12 April 1727 (DPR/I/2/13 p274)
will bond, penal sum £300, 18 November 1730 (DPR/I/3/1730/B330/1-2)

Worth a try if you have not seen it before

[WRAG]

Thank you David.  That is the site that got me working on the Henzells/Henzeys, Tytterys & Tyzacks again.

William

[c-side]

I am wondering about Cuthbert's will - why would he leave the family estate to his nephew's oldest son if his nephew was still alive to inherit?

I will be at Northumberland archives on Wednesday if there is anything you want to confirm though there is very little detail in burials at that time.

Christine

[WRAG]

Thanks for the offer Christine.  If I knew what parish Bill House was in I would take up your offer.

I think Cuthbert bypassed Joseph because Joseph's health was bad.  Joseph had written his will two years earlier and died soon after Cuthbert.  Perhaps Cuthbert assumed his brother would outlive Joseph so he looked beyond his nephew to his grand nephew as the inheritor of the property.

William