Booth/Gribben/D'Arcy/De Lacey adopted

[eddiebooth]

Possible progress?

Edward Booth dob 03/02/1900 = Teddy Gribben, mother Rose Anne Gribben dob c1871
1911 Census describes Rose Anne Gribben as WIDOWER

Ive searched all Gribben/Gribbon/Gribbin's and have found
Thomas Gribbin died 04/09/1892 Belfast, widow Rose (Cant find marriage though)
If this is same Rose (she would have been 21 y.o.) then Edward Booth/Teddy Gribben would have been born out of wedlock (well, she was still a young woman)

Any thoughts?

[jim1]

Perfectly possible.Legally he would have been a Booth but giving him the Gribben surname saves a lot of explaining.
My GGGrandmother gave birth 8 years into widowhood & gave the child her married surname rather than her maiden name so it did happen.

[aghadowey]

Hate to be the bearer of bad tidings but not sure I like your Thomas Gribbin and his wife Rose 

Thomas Gribbin was age 52 when he died (born c1841) so 30 years older than the Rose in 1911 census.

Will Extract for Thomas here-
The Will of Thomas Gribbin late of 61 Great George's-street Belfast Painter who died 4 September 1892 at same place was proved at Belfast by Rose Gribbin of same place Widow the sole Executrix. Effects £40 18s. 10d.
http://apps.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx

Off to do more searching about this couple...

[eddiebooth]

...and there's always the possibility that her maiden name was Booth and her married name Gribben (GF's birth records on familysearch show mothers birth name as Booth, although this could be a mistake)
Problem with all this is that while he adopted Booth as his surname sometime between 1911 census and 1919 marriage,  she remains as Gribben on Belfast street directories up to 1932

[aghadowey]

I wonder if we can't simplify this a bit. Edward Booth, dob 03/02/1900

Birth: Edward Maurice Booth, Jan./Mar.1900 Belfast (replies 17-19)
Edward Booth born 4 Feb.1900 (reply 13) Note: 1 day off from your original date of birth

1901 census: Edward Morris Booth (age 1 born Belfast) with mother Lizzie Booth (age 30 born England) (reply 13). Fits with birth for Edward Maurice Booth (above)
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__Anne_s/Talbot_Street/933944

1901 census: Eliza Booth, age 7, visitor, born Lancashire England (reply 16)
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Falls_Ward/Oranmore_Street/981073
Lizzie Booth, age 11, died 20 Dec.1905 Queen St. Hospital, buried same day City Cemetery (reply 16) See reply #41

1911 census: Teddy Gribben with Rose Ann Gribben in same household. Note: this lists Rose Anne as 'cousin' and Teddy as 'relative' but doesn't given relationship between Teddy and Rose Ann. (replies 7 & 9) Note: this address ties in with 1919 marriage for Edward (reply 5)
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__Anne_s_Ward/Kent_Street/133663

[aghadowey]

Have exciting new information to post shortly 

[aghadowey]

Used some credits with GRONI to try and sort out this and can now eliminate the child Lizzie Booth.

Death certificate:
20 Dec.1905 Queen Street Hospital
Lizzie Booth from 158 Matilda St.
female spinster 11 years old
daughter of Sam Booth labourer
heart disease 5 months cardiac dropsy 1 month certified
informant- Elizabeth Mitchell (her mark) who caused the body to be buried 218 Matilda St.
registered 22 Dec.1905

[aghadowey]

Now for better news 

Also looked up the following record-

Birth:
4 Feb.1900, 43 Talbot St.
Edward Maurice
[listed as F for female on certificate which is obviously an error]
father: ---
mother: Jane Elizabeth Booth a stitcher [formerly crossed out]
informant: Sarah Lee (her mark) present at birth 10 Wilson St.
registered 12 Feb.1900

I have copies of both certificates- send me your email address by PM and I'll forward them to you

[eddiebooth]

I need to find the link between Jane Elizabeth (Lizzie) and Rose Anne Gribben. Currently all I know for sure is that they lived about 0.2miles apart, a 5 minute walk, and were about the same age.