John and Margaret [Liston] Broggy.

[bushpoet]

G'day Gaffy. 

First up , thank you for your assistance, it's very much appreciated.

Query.

And in the same RC parish register, John Henry, baptised 17 July 1870 (note reference to father catholic and mother protestant), left page, 5th entry down:

http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634992#page/174/mode/1up

In case you haven't seen the original baptism register entry for William Henry, this from the register for Parteen RC parish, 16 July 1871, right page, 5th entry down:

http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634992#page/177/mode/1up

Note sponsors Patrick & Catherine Frost and the word "protestant" after mother.

I'm not sure if I'm reading it right but when I looked at both the records it seems they are both for Matthew.  Can't see John mentioned. 

[bushpoet]

G'day dathai.

so who are these Matthew's
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014914/005014914_00028.pdf

The probate is Ellen [Thorn] Broggy's husband Matthew born 1866. and the recipient his son Matthew born 1903.

When ellen died in 1905 her probate recipient was her son John and Matthew's brother.

[gaffy]

... Query.

And in the same RC parish register, John Henry, baptised 17 July 1870 (note reference to father catholic and mother protestant), left page, 5th entry down:

http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634992#page/174/mode/1up

In case you haven't seen the original baptism register entry for William Henry, this from the register for Parteen RC parish, 16 July 1871, right page, 5th entry down:

http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634992#page/177/mode/1up

Note sponsors Patrick & Catherine Frost and the word "protestant" after mother.

I'm not sure if I'm reading it right but when I looked at both the records it seems they are both for Matthew.  Can't see John mentioned.

The child's name is immediately after the name of the priest on the first line in each case, so in the baptism on 17 July 1870 for example, it says "Joannem Henricum" (John Henry) before going on to say the legitimate son of Matthew Broggy (Catholic) and Helen Thorn (Protestant) etc.

And in the baptism on 16 July 1871, the name to look for is "Gulielmum Henricum" (William Henry).

[bushpoet]

G'day Gaffy.

Aha.  Didn't have me Irish glasses on.  appreciation that explanation mate.

[bushpoet]

Potential marriage in Cork, 1865, volume 10, page 72:

Matthew "Broggie": https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FYMJ-75Q
Ellen Thorn: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FYMH-ZZ7

If them, then maybe worth ordering up a research copy of the marriage record from Co. Roscommon, the bride's and groom's fathers should be named (and their occupations)...

Name   Matthew Broffie
Spouse's Name   Ellen Thorn
Event Date   04 Apr 1865
Event Place   St Anne Shandon, Cork, Ireland
Father's Name   Daniel Broffie
Spouse's Father's Name   Robert Thorn

I did find this record and again spelling throws a spanner in the works but compared to another
I think they are one and the same people getting married.

Name:   Ellen Thorn 
Matthew Broggie
Date of Registration:   1865
Registration district:   Cork, Ireland
Volume:   10
Page Number:   72
FHL Film Number:   101249

The first record shows that Matthew's father was Daniel.

[gaffy]

G'day Gaffy.

Aha.  Didn't have me Irish glasses on.  appreciation that explanation mate.

It's your Latin glasses you need. 

Irish RC parish registers were written in English or Latin, Latin found more in rural, Irish-speaking areas, English found more in urban areas, but that's not a hard and fast rule, there are many exceptions. To my knowledge Irish was not used in registers. As you can see, placenames and surnames weren't translated but forenames were. I'm still trying to work out what the placename is in the register entries for John Henry and William Henry, it looks like "de Dena" - "of Dena"? Hmmm.

I can see a couple of references online to Derra in County Clare, maybe the "n" is a double "r"?

[bushpoet]

DESCENDANTS OF MATTHEW HENRY AND ELLEN [THORN] BROGGY

    Matthew Henry Broggy   married   Catherine O'Shaughnessy
   John Henry Broggy   married   Margaret Liston
   William Henry Broggy   married   Died 1 yr

I can't find any source for Matthew Henry's birth on the 11 August 1866 in the Registration District of Limerick, Ireland, but John Henry and William Henry were both born at Cooley Casey, Clare.

Name   John Henry Braggy
Gender   Male
Birth Date   12 Jul 1870
Birthplace   Cooley Casey, Clare, Ireland
Father's Name   Mathew Braggy
Mother's Name   Ellen Thorn Braggy

Name   William Henry
Gender   Male
Christening Place   403, Cooley Casey, Clare, Ireland
Birth Date   12 Jul 1871
Birthplace   Cooley Casey, Clare, Ireland
Father's Name   Mathew Bruggy
Mother's Name   Ellen Thom

[gaffy]

The townland of Coolycasey is in the civil parish of Kilfinaghta, here it is in the 1830s/40s:

http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,551290,667587,9,7

I wonder what the "de Dena" / "de Derra" reference means in the church record?

[bushpoet]

One reference I found.

Derra, Kilmurry, Sixmilebridge, Co. Clare