Adding to my BURDEN family tree.

[NZKate]

I am a direct descendant of John and Edith Burden who emigrated to Tasmania in 1854. My great grandfather is Walter Sydney Burde(o)n one of John and Edith's sons.  I would like to find out more about the children of Alfred and Elizabeth Burden - Alfred was one of Reuben's sons-Reuben was another of John and Edith's sons. Alfred - 1873-1921 married Elizabeth (Lydia) Gillie in 1901.
I am interested in finding out any information about their children-Florence May; Sidney?: David Ellis; Robert Osborne; Phyllis Lucy; Effie Edith; Sydney Clyde; Herbert Henry; Arthur Alfred and Clarence Leslie. Lydia died in 1915 aged 33 and Alfred aged 48.  I understand some of the children were "Taken into Care" I have a few scraps of information some conflicting, but I will be very grateful if anyone can help. I believe one of the girls married into the Rooney family and the other Effie Edith - into the Browne family. If I can help anyone else,  please let me know as I have completed and published family trees for Burden/Livingstone/Unsworth and McAuliffe/McGrail. Thanks

[lizdb]

Can you tell us when and where each of these children were born, and what you already know about them?

Added - I cant see a marriage for Alfred Burden/Elizabeth or Lydia Gillie in 1901 in the England and Wales Index, so presumably this family was from somewhere else ?

[NZKate]

Thanks for your reply. The family was second and third generation living in Tasmania and all the children were born there.  I have only three birth dates and I had included the marriage date in my original post and as I said I think most of the children were taken into care. It is the children I am interested in.

[majm]

Hi there,

I am confused by your request.    I explain :  You write that you have completed and published your family trees and you include the BURDEN tree in your list.    So, I am wondering why you are now asking about the children of the 1901 BURDEN marriage ..... 

Anyways, you mention you have three birthdates and you name ten children.  Perhaps you could advise us as to what information you are seeking about each of those ten.   

Have you used the National Archives of Australia's website to look for any of the Burden siblings, particularly if they served during WWII, or were in the Militia http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/index.aspx

Can you confirm that none of the siblings are still living?   I have living relatives aged more than 100 years, all alert and very protective of their personal privacy, and none like seeing their names published as they know they have the legal expectation that their names are private.

Have you used Trove? http://trove.nla.gov.au/

Have you checked through all the resources of RChat's various Resource boards here:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/australia-resources-offers/

 
Cheers,  JM


   

[lizdb]

Thanks for your reply. The family was second and third generation living in Tasmania and all the children were born there.  I have only three birth dates and I had included the marriage date in my original post and as I said I think most of the children were taken into care. It is the children I am interested in.

My apologies - I misread your post, and took it that the branch you were interested in had not emigrated with the rest. 

[majm]

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/25947005 27 Nov 1942 Mercury (Hobart)

BURDEN.-On November 26, 1942, at his brother's residence, Post Office, Stormlea, Arthur Alfred, eldest son of the late Alfred and Elizabeth Burden, aged 37 years.

From that information I am assuming that the list of children you have given are not in chronological order. 

Alfred BURDEN's 1921 will is digitised and available online at the free to search website : here's the live link https://stors.tas.gov.au/AD960-1-47-14168

So now I am further confused.  Alfred names as beneficiaries  'my two sons Arthur Alfred and Clarence Leslie"  .... no mention of other siblings for these two.....

ADD Nubeena White Beach Cemetery : Clarence Lesley BURDEN died 2 March 1969, but I cannot tell if he was brother of Arthur Alfred as the Index I am looking at (Genealogical Society of Tasmania TAMIOT 1999 2nd Edition) has parents as Frederick and Lydia BURDEN .....   Elizabeth BURDEN is at same cemetery, DD 3 June 1915, spouse of Alfred.     Many others with that surname also on that Index, some at that cemetery.
 

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Alfred was witness at his brother's 1899 marriage
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD37-1-62p437j2k

Cheers,  JM

[NZKate]

Thanks for your help.  I am sorry you are confused.  Your assumptions were incorrect. Maybe you should include a little logic in your thinking.   I did say I had only three birth dates. Thirteen generations were I thought, sufficient to include in a family tree without including the off spring of a half first cousin twice removed!  Once again thanks for your time and for the information you have included.  You have made me feel like a beginner.

[majm]

Hi there,

You comment about including a little logic in my thinking.  I mention that I did write:

I am confused by your request.    I explain :  You write that you have completed and published your family trees and you include the BURDEN tree in your list.    So, I am wondering why you are now asking about the children of the 1901 BURDEN marriage ..... 

Anyways, .....

So may I gently mention that to me it is quite logical to ask the ‘why’ question as you wrote ‘completed and published’ If a family tree is completed then surely you have finished/concluded/finalised/done that family tree. 

I am sorry you think that I have made you feel like a beginner.  You have been a member of this forum for years, and you are a published family historian.   There is no reason to consider yourself as a beginner, and clearly there’s no intention on my part to cause you to feel that way.   

Re several of Alfred & Elizabeth (Lydia)’s children who perhaps were taken into care.

I do not know the restrictions to access that may apply to records held in Tasmania, but I do know that in some of the Australian States the restrictions to access children’s records are strict.  In Australia, when a child is taken into care, then the State or Territory has the ‘duty of care’, so if the children were taken into care in Tasmania, then perhaps that is the best place to start your search.   Currently the government department is their Department of Health and Human Services.     http://www.dhhs.tas.gov.au/home  Perhaps you could consider contacting them re their archives and any restricted access conditions     http://www.dhhs.tas.gov.au/contact

Please can you answer the question about each of those ten children you named :

Can you confirm that none of the siblings are still living?   I have living relatives aged more than 100 years, all alert and very protective of their personal privacy, and none like seeing their names published as they know they have the legal expectation that their names are private. 

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=368728.0 
If you are providing details of someone we are likely to suspect may still be living, but you know is deceased, please state this.

Cheers,  JM