Christopher Welch (aka Welsh), c1811, Ireland and Liverpool

[Blue70]

I see them now. They're under the surname Welch in 1841 at Hurst Street Liverpool and Mary Ann is recorded as Mary. Looking at the RC baptism of the youngest child there, Mary, the mother's maiden name is recorded as Clement so the 1830 marriage is right but the other details we got wrong because we were looking at the wrong man. So here they are minus Christopher in 1851:-

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKVX-9NXR

Do we know what happened to Christopher? I can't find a burial record for him. He only appears on the 1841 Census. Perhaps he returned to Ireland? I see what you mean about the 1861 and 1871 Census records it looks like Mary has become Elizabeth for some reason.


Blue

[lancsann]

the baptisms of Elizabeth &Mary from lan-opc

Baptism: 13 Aug 1837 St Patrick, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Welshe - Daughter of Christopher Welshe & Mary (formerly Clemison)
    Born: 4 Aug 1837
    Godparents: Richard Welshe; Elizabeth Burnes
    Baptised by: G.Gibson
    Register: Baptisms 1837, Page 35, Entry 4
    Source: LDS Film 396375

Baptism: 8 Dec 1839 St Patrick, Toxteth, Lancashire, England
Mary Welsh - [Child] of Christopher Welsh & Mary (formerly Clement)
    Born: 6 Dec 1839
    Godparents: Hugh Higgins; Margaret Deamird
    Baptised by: W.Parker
    Register: Baptisms 1839 - 1840, Page 59, Entry 5
    Source: LDS Film 396375

[Blue70]

Jaychris mentioned all the children being baptised RC so I think all the original baptism record images for the children of Christopher and Mary have been collected from Ancestry's Liverpool collection.


Blue

[Tall Al]

I wondered if you had checked the death for a Christopher Welsh in June Qtr 1843 (Liverpool reference 20/218)?

It is at odds with the 1851 census for Mary Ann which shows her as "married" rather than widowed but is it worth exploring?

There is another Christopher Welsh death in 1858 (plus a Catholic burial about the same time for a Christophus Welsh from Wellington Road, age shown as 85) - can't see him on any  censuses - however as Wellington Road is a distance from Hurst Street, I tend to think this one is likely not connected.

Alan   

[Tall Al]

Oops - silly mistake - just realised there are children born after 1843 so the 1843 death can't be your Christopher -sorry about that idea - just finding it frustrating not to be able to find the answer for you and starting to clutch at straws!!

Alan

[lancsann]

You say Christopher & Mary were RC. They married in the CofE church of St Peter. I wonder if they also married in an RC church, on either the same day or just before or after. I have in my tree someone who married at St Peters liverpool in 1864 and also in the RC church so that they complied with both civic & church law. I have a copy of both the certificates somewhere (they were printed in a family history mag) but I can't find them or remember which the RC church was.

Sometimes RC records give a little more info so it may be worth investigating.

[Blue70]

You say Christopher & Mary were RC. They married in the CofE church of St Peter. I wonder if they also married in an RC church, on either the same day or just before or after. I have in my tree someone who married at St Peters liverpool in 1864 and also in the RC church so that they complied with both civic & church law. I have a copy of both the certificates somewhere (they were printed in a family history mag) but I can't find them or remember which the RC church was.

Sometimes RC records give a little more info so it may be worth investigating.

Good suggestion. I can't see an RC marriage though on Ancestry.


Blue

[lancsann]

The records are probably not on line but may be held at Liverpool Records Office. Only marriage records on line for St Patrick's appear to be from 1872

[Blue70]

The records are probably not on line but may be held at Liverpool Records Office. Only marriage records on line for St Patrick's appear to be from 1872

Ancestry has the original marriage register images for 1830 for the following RC churches:-

-St Peter's Seel Street
-St Nicholas Copperas Hill
-St Patrick's Toxteth

They don't have marriage register images for 1830 for:-

St Mary's (then Edmund Street, later Highfield Street)
St Anthony's Scotland Road

The marriage registers from 1830 usually include names of witnesses but not parents' names so it may not be worthwhile pursuing this avenue of research.


Blue