MURRAY brick wall

[annecannes]

My ggg grandfather William Murray according to Scottish Census 1861 was born Inveraray Argyllshire in c 1779. He was living with his son John in 1861 and died that same year in Maryhill Lanarkshire. I found his death certificate which names his late spouse as Annie Welsh but unfortunately the certificate lists his parents as 'unknown'. I could not find a William Murray born in Inveraray and there are so many William Murrays that I can't find the right one without some parents names to narrow it down. The same applies to Annie Welsh about whom I know even less! Any ideas? Thanks

[ecksdochter]

Hello annecannes,
     Possible marriage.
     William Murray & Anne Welch, 1st Jan,1814 at Cadder, Lanarkshire.
     (On the 1881 Census, William's son John gives Cadder as his birthplace)
               Regards,     Dod.
     

[annecannes]

Thanks to ecksdochter - will follow that up

[sancti]

Where is he living on 1841 and 1851 census records?

[Em2]

Not to send you off on a wild goose chase but have you tried to locate siblings of your William?

I spent a little bit of extra time trying to locate the sibs of an ancestor of mine and once I located 3 of them the MS of the mother became quite clear as well as the father being a Chelsea Pensioner which opened up a whole new trail to follow. 

In my direct relative's case the MS of the mother was unclear on the death record.  The second sibling who died 17 years later, had it filled out with legible handwriting and the third confirmed it.

[ruthhelen]

No joy tracking down the elusive William, I'm afraid - but following the son, John, it looks to me like the family were members of the Free Church, which will make finding any trace of them in the parish records before 1855 a bit tricky, as Scotland's People only indexes pre-1855 parish records from the established Church of Scotland.

I'm guessing you already know this, but for the benefit of others, son John Murray (abt. 1820) married Janet Turnbull (abt. 1820, daughter of Charles Turnbull and Margaret Thomson) sometime before 1844 - no marriage record that I can find. They had at least 10 children between 1844 and 1863. Family Search indexes some Free Church records, and John and Janet's five youngest children were baptised in the Free Church in Airdrie.

Janet Turnbull died on 26 Nov 1882, and John married again on 27 Jan 1891, to Jeanie McArthur (abt. 1843, daughter of John McArthur and Margaret Forgil (sic)), in Stirling, after banns according to the Free Church. He died a year later on 27 Jan 1901.

I can't find John Murray or Janet Turnbull in 1841, although I do have Janet Turnbull's parents at St Ninian's, Stirlingshire, with two of Janet's siblings.

As for father William and mother Annie Welsh - can't find any trace of either of them before William shows up in 1861 in Maryhill with John and Janet, although if I was a betting person, I'd say Dod likely has the correct banns proclamation from Cadder in 1814 

Ruth

[ruthhelen]

Janet Turnbull died on 26 Nov 1882, and John married again on 27 Jan 1891, to Jeanie McArthur (abt. 1843, daughter of John McArthur and Margaret Forgil (sic)), in Stirling, after banns according to the Free Church. He died a year later on 27 Jan 1901.

Clearly that would be ten years later... If I only had a brain....

[sancti]

What was their address on 1861 census?

[ruthhelen]

What was their address on 1861 census?

Firhill Farm, Maryhill. John, Janet and family are still in Maryhill in 1871, but at Nere House, and again at Maryhill in 1881, at Rockview House. They're in Shotts in 1851. I can't find either of them in 1841 - I'm assuming they probably married somewhere close to Stirling, as Janet was born in Bannockburn and her parents and siblings are at St Ninian's in 1841 and 1851 - and John and Janet's youngest children were baptised in Airdrie, which isn't a million miles away...

Ruth