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Edwin Harrison Green and Joanna Elizabeth Green
« on: Friday 08 January 16 18:13 GMT (UK) »
Edwin Harrison Green, born 1837, married Joanna Elizabeth Green, born 1833 (but at her marriage lost 5 years) in 1867.  They were very prominent in Spiritualist Movements and Edwin had taken a four month tour in 1866.  I can find them in the UK in the 1881 census and then Electoral Records up until 1886 but after that they disappear.

I just wondered if they moved to USA and whether there were any records of them living or having died there.  Joanna is my great-great-aunt.

Any help would be much appreciated.
Biggar, Dougherty, Jamieson, McLeod, Mackenzie

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Re: Edwin Harrison Green and Joanna Elizabeth Green
« Reply #1 on: Friday 08 January 16 21:22 GMT (UK) »
I haven't found him yet after 1886 but I see that he did make a brief tour of the US in 1866.

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Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis

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Re: Edwin Harrison Green and Joanna Elizabeth Green
« Reply #2 on: Friday 08 January 16 21:53 GMT (UK) »
There was a Joanna E. Green who died in Philadelphia in 1895.  She was born in England in 1839.  She was cremated and it appears that the remains were sent to England for burial.  I haven't yet found any trace of her in the United States before 1895.

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Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis

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Re: Edwin Harrison Green and Joanna Elizabeth Green
« Reply #3 on: Friday 08 January 16 22:01 GMT (UK) »
There is this possible death in Philadelphia for Edwin Green:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gta/





Edited:  Nope, sorry, I jumped the gun.  I think that's the wrong Edwin Green.  Here he is in the 1900 census:

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Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis


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Re: Edwin Harrison Green and Joanna Elizabeth Green
« Reply #4 on: Friday 08 January 16 22:54 GMT (UK) »
Thank you so much Erato - this looks very promising.  I have seen the report of his tour in 1866 and also the other article which mentioned him.  His death certificate looks very promising although the age is wrong as he would only have been 64 in 1901.  However, I do know that he was born in Leeds.
I don't think that is him in the 1900 census as the age is wrong and the wife's name.  Also I don't think they had any children as far as I am aware.

The Joanna E Green death also looks promising - I know she changed her age when she married but she was born in Edinburgh not England but I think it was a long time since she had been in Scotland. I did notice cause of death 'multiple sarcoma' I think that's cancer.  Her sister also died of cancer. Not that that is any proof. 

Was there a US census in 1890?  I wonder when they arrived in the US? He was the Hon Secretary of the British Association of Progressive Spiritualists but after the Fourth Convention I can find no further conventions so perhaps they all fell out with one another as there did appear to be some disagreements arising. She was also on the Committee. 

From his report on spiritualism in the US he appeared to genuinely believe in it but I am not so sure about Joanna.  She was deceitful about her marriage certificate. Firstly she changed her age as she was obviously older than her husband and falsely declared that her father, George McLeod was Writer to the Signet, to the Lord Advocate of Scotland.  Not so!   He was a typefounder.  But she also told the family she was marrying the MP for Whitby which as far as I know Edwin was not.  I was a little doubtful about whether I had the right Joanna because of that but have checked with the Signet Library who confirmed there was no Writer to the Signet named George McLeod. But have recently found an announcement of the marriage in the Greenock Advertiser which confirms the link as both her sister and her father lived in Greenock.  Another anomaly was the fact that the marriage announcement stated she was the daughter of the late G McLeod of Edinburgh.  He was in fact still alive and did not die for 10 years after that, also he came from Caithness.  Perhaps they were estranged.

Sorry to have expounded at such length - I have become a little obsessed by it!  Thank you so much for the look-ups.  They do sound promising.
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Re: Edwin Harrison Green and Joanna Elizabeth Green
« Reply #5 on: Friday 08 January 16 23:11 GMT (UK) »
"but she was born in Edinburgh not England"

If that is the correct Joanna Green, the person who reported the death [whoever that was] might not have known precisely where she was born or the Philadelphia officials may not have distinguished between Scotland and England.
Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis

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Re: Edwin Harrison Green and Joanna Elizabeth Green
« Reply #6 on: Friday 08 January 16 23:28 GMT (UK) »
This Edwin Green was reportedly buried in Northwood Cemetery, Philadelphia.  You might be able to get further details on him from the cemetery company.

http://www.superpages.com/bp/Philadelphia-PA/Northwood-Cemetery-Co-L0105075066.htm
Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis

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Re: Edwin Harrison Green and Joanna Elizabeth Green
« Reply #7 on: Friday 08 January 16 23:39 GMT (UK) »
I think that the census and the death record both refer to the same Edwin Green.  In both cases the address is 1516 E. Susquehana Ave.
Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis

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Re: Edwin Harrison Green and Joanna Elizabeth Green
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 09 January 16 12:47 GMT (UK) »
Yes, indeed, the census record and the death are the same. I was looking at the wrong figure for age. I was a little misled by Leeds.  But he is too old anyway because Edwin Harrison Green was born 1837 so would only have been 63.   With regard to Joanna, it seemed a long time between the date of death and the date of cremation - August to November.  Would that be normal?

Once again, thank you for looking.
Biggar, Dougherty, Jamieson, McLeod, Mackenzie