Hamilton & Saunders 1900's SE UK

[CathrynJ]

Hmmm I am learning ...

So I found http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd and put the marriage below into both the local BerkshireBMD website and the all counties search. Unfortunately though the marriage does not show up, I wonder why? A shame as I would like to find if a father "Saunders" exists or has been named anywhere. I can't find her birth either to order a birth certificate. What a mystery!

Marie M Saunders
Spouse Surname   Lambert
Date of Registration   1919 - Apr-May-Jun[1919]
Registration district   Newbury
Inferred County   Berkshire
Volume Number   2e
Page number   796

[CathrynJ]

Continuing updates Rosie (sorry for the deluge - I can't put this down!)!

So I have been going back over birth records as although the family story lines up - a french ancestor who was an artist pointing to the Le Forts, I am concerned about the discrepancies in birth dates for Ernest.

There are two records of interest re births:

1. Ernest Saunders 1892 Paddington - which would tie in with the age of Ernest on the 1911 census.
2. Ernest Frederick Le Fort 1890 - who was the child christened also by Ernestine Le Fort with no father named.

There is an Ernest Le Fort listed as a Furniture dealer at 118 Leyton High Road in 1925.
Ernest Saunders on the 1911 census aged 19, his occupation is listed as cabinet maker.
If Ernest Saunders was indeed actually the illegitimate child of Ernestine Le Fort - could this be one in the same person, reverting back to his real family name?

I would need the birth certificates of both 1 & 2 above, to clear up which if either of them is the son of Ernestine Saunders on 1911 census. But maybe I have missed something, I might pull some more 1911 searches over weekend when I am not so tired, see if I can work this all out!

It might be tiredness, but I had wondered - could Ernestine have registered her son twice? Once illegitimately, then 2 years later, might she have taken on this identity "Saunders" to live with her two children as a "widower"?

Could she have registered her son a second time or is that a huge stretch ...

Would this be why the birth of "Marie Saunders" in 1894 also present something of a mystery?

Will do some more research next week!

[nanny jan]

Dear Rosie,
Just one more thing if its ok - you say further back:

"Marie M Saunders married in that name to Walter Lambert -  June qtr 1919.
They appear together on street directories on Ancestry
That marriage should give Maries fathers details"

Could you tell me please how I would find Maries fathers details from this marriage?
Many thanks!

In case Rosie is still having internet problems;  you will need to order a copy of the certificate from the GRO:

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Cost is £9.25 and usually arrive within 7-10 days; use the reference details you have already found.


Nanny Jan

[CathrynJ]

Thank you Nanny Jan - I didn#t realise they did marriage too.

[nanny jan]

Since 1837.....births, marriages and deaths.

[rosie99]

Hi Cathryn

You have been busy.   

Thank you also nannyjan 

Ernestine -  She says she has Private Means, so it will be interesting to see if she did have a 'Saunders' husband. It would not be unusual for a 'single' mother to state she was a widow on census.  I would be expecting to find her childrens birth registrations in the Wandsworth registration district  going by the Clapham place of birth.

I will send a PM about Daphne's half brother (Lambert)

I will have a look at Ernest and the rest of the info this afternoon and see what I can find

Rosie

[rosie99]

I don't think that Ernestine would have registered a birth twice. 

I am going to look at the Ernests one at a time
Sep qtr 1890 Ernest Frederick   LeFort     Marylebone    1a   556
We know he was christened with mother as Ernestine no fathers name.

I am only seeing one Ernest/Ernest F bn c1890

Possibly 1901 born Surrey a visitor with the Sadd family in Dulwich

In 1909 he marries Ada - she dies in 1913.

According to Army records Ernest Frederick has children (Ada) Eileen 13/2/11 child of his first marriage and Cecil 24/6/13 (son of Victoria) and his last occupation was Publican & Motor Driver.
He married Victoria in Cambridge in 1915. He is in 1916 street directory in Cambridge at The Spread Eagle.
He appears with Victoria in 1939 Leyton area (Essex). You have already found him in that area.

Finding Ernest Saunders however could be a nightmare    I wonder if it is worth waiting to see what Marie says about her father when she marries Walter Lambert - she could be telling fibs though.

[rosie99]

Finally in the 1960's an Anthony P Hamilton pops up in Maida Vale, just a few streets away from where Ernestine with children Ernest and Marie, are listed as living in the 1911 census. Living in the same house as Anthony P Hamilton in the 1960's is Jenni, James and JIM Morrison.

I have sent PM with additional information

[CathrynJ]

Dear Rosie,
I am also getting one other Ernest born 1892, have you seen him?

Ernest Saunders
Registration Year:   1892
Registration Quarter:   Apr-May-Jun
Registration district:   Paddington

But as you say, maybe a bit of an off a nightmare finding without the other info being inplace. I have some certificates on the way (I ordered Maries birth certificate with the Ernestine as mother to see if anything can be found).

Will go have a look at PM's now, thanks!