James RIGBY on the 61 census

[ecksdochter]

Hello jennywren001,,
     I would say the same guy. Shouldn't think there are many plasterers named Rigby with a connection to Fraserburgh.
     1881 & 1891 Census, James, Mary & family are living in Rutherglen, Lanarkshire. 1901 Census, Mary (Rigley) is housekeeping for sons James & John.
     There is a death for a James Rigby at Rutherglen in 1893 & Mary Rigby other name Gordon, 1902. (Scotlandspeople)
               Regards,     Dod.

[Pennines]

Jen -- I agree with you that the age on the 1861 census snippet is 26.

Interesting to read that the tree on Ancestry names him as John Fraser Rigby -- and there is also a John Fraser living at the same address as your particular John in 1861.

[jennywren001]

He starts out (I think) as plain old James Rigby but becomes James Fraser Rigby over time. I needed a break from my Fieldings so decided to return to my neglected Frasers. The James Fraser with his grandson James Rigby in 1851 is my 5xs great grandfather - James Fraser's son Andrew (also a butcher) is my direct line, Andrew's sister Ann is mother to James Fraser Rigby.

I have seen trees on Ancestry for this family but to be honest unless I work through myself and gather all the evidence and join all the dots I'm never happy 

The wee Rigby lad sparked my interest so now I'm following through on all of the children born to James Fraser and Jean Lorimer.  So much for sticking to my direct line!
Jen

[jennywren001]

That Rigby boy has a lot to answer for! I've attached a family sheet on all nine children of James Fraser born Rathen 1776 and Jean Lorimer just in case anyone else is looking at this family.

The only puzzle I'm now left with is a James Fraser born January, 1834, Fraserburgh a year after his parents (John Fraser and Mary Falconer) marry. I can't find him in 41 or 51 but he turns up in 61 age 27 living with his cousin another James Fraser - son of Andrew. I'm pretty sure it's him as in 1866 he gets married in Fraserburgh, lists his parent as John and Mary  and his occupation as a cooper (same trade when with his cousin in 61). James the cooper and his brothers would appear to leave Scotland for new Zealand in the 1860s....
Jen

Edit: Adding this link http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=521806.0

[fraserrigby]

Do you think before the birth of Mary in 1861 James did a runner to Edinburgh? and by changing his name tried to avoid the paternity suit against him by Mary jane Low? its interesting to note after he left Aberdeen he went to Edinburgh(as shown by the birth of his daughter Louisa in 1871) before moving through to Rutherglen. I've been searching for James in 1861 for years now and I think the John F Rigley is our man, do you think the John Fraser is related to Anne Fraser, James's mother?.
 
Many thanks to all for solving this mystery any questions on the Rigbys, that anyone is stuck with I will try and answer. Fraser Rigby.

[Forfarian]

William Rigby, son of Thomas Rigby and Anne Fraser, married my 1st cousin 3 times removed, Janet Marshall. I have quite a lot of information about their descendants.

[jennywren001]

Hi FraserRigby and welcome to Rootschat,
"Do you think before the birth of Mary in 1861 James did a runner to Edinburgh? and by changing his name tried to avoid the paternity suit against him by Mary jane Low? its interesting to note after he left Aberdeen he went to Edinburgh(as shown by the birth of his daughter Louisa in 1871) before moving through to Rutherglen."

James Rigby and Mary Duncan appear to have had two children in Aberdeen in the late 1860s before leaving for Edinburgh so I can't see the birth of Mary Jane Low as being the cause but who knows?

"...do you think the John Fraser is related to Anne Fraser, James's mother"
This would be the John Fraser who was married to Mary Falconer...yes I think this John is Anne Fraser's brother for the following reasons.
John Fraser died in 1846 age 36 according to father's death certificate.            
I believe the John Fraser with Mary in the 1841 living Fraserburgh is this John.            
When John's son Charles is born in 1838 a James and Andrew Fraser sign as witnesses.            
John calls his first born son James.             
John's youngest son John has the middle name Davidson – John's sister Margaret married Charles Davidson             
John's oldest son James is living with his cousin in 1861 – Another James (my 3rd GGF) – son of Andrew (my 4th GGF) who is sister to Anne Fraser 

I'm not sure about the 'name' changes - James/John Fraser Rigby - he does not use Fraser as a middle name when he marries but it is on his death certificate. I don't have his childrens birth certificates perhaps they indicate when 'Fraser' was added.

I'm stuck at John Fraser and Isabella Henderson in Arglessie in the 1770s....

Jen

[Forfarian]

by changing his name

Has anyone looked at the original of the 1861 census to check whether he really did change his name, or whether it is one of those mistranscriptions for which A******y is so justly notorious?

The 1871 looks like another mistranscription of Rigby.

[jennywren001]

Attached is the 61 census - Looks like John F Rigby to me. I think the John with him will be his cousin John Fraser - son of James Fraser - eldest son of James Fraser and Jean Lorimer! I don't know about a name change as he was born in Ireland and I've never looked for his birth record.

Forfarian if you have a connection to these Rigbys that means you have a links to the branches of three of my four grandparents is that a tad unusual?
Jen