Details on records don't match.....help and advice please

[Moira27]

As usual I started with what I new and had records for 😃
I started with my gran 😃
Mary airlie Robertson, born 14 July 1897, Hamilton lanarkshire, parents james Robertson and margaret algie, married 8 February 1883, dalziel lanarkshire

I searched for her parents marriage and learned great grandparents names
George Robertson, coal miner, deceased
Margaret Barr, formerly Robertson, maiden surname Reilly

I could now search for great grandfathers birth
James Robertson, 1 October 1863, Bathgate Linlithgow, his parents were married march 1858 in manchester.

Unable to find marriage 😞

Searched great grandfathers siblings births hoping to find marriage details
John Robertson b 1861, marriage dec 1855 manchester
Margaret Robertson b 1865, marriage mar 1853 manchester
Maria Robertson b 1867, marriage nov 1854 manchester
Catherine Robertson b 1869, marriage sep 1855 Lancashire
George Robertson b 1871, marriage July 1859 manchester

Huge variations in date but location the same....still no luck in finding marriage 😞

Went back to grandparents marriage records which gave me another route to great grandparents
George Robertson, coal miner, deceased
Margaret Barr formerly Robertson, maiden surname Reilly

Searched for death certificate for george Robertson....found nothing 😞

Searched for Margaret's marriage to Barr
Margaret married Daniel Barr, 1872 dalziel lanarkshire her parents are listed as
James Reilly and Catherine Fitzpatrick

Searched for Margaret's death
11 January 1872, dalziel lanarkshire parents listed as
John Reilly and margaret shields

Back to george Robertson - he died before 1872, because margaret married Daniel Barr this year.
George and Margaret's youngest child george was born in 1871, so assumed I would find George's death if I searched between 1869 and 1872.....nothing 😞

[rosie99]

Where are the family in 1871 census prior to Margarets remarriage. Could you please give the census details

Rosie

[karenlee]

Hi

Sorry, deleted. Thought I had found something but cross checking proved otherwise.

Karenlee

[Moira27]

I don't know where the family was for the 1871 census 😞

1869 Catherine Robertson was born, birth registered eastern district, old monklands
Address: row dunbeth

1871 george Robertson, birth and death registered parish of dalziel
Address for birth: ?? Square, craigneuk
Address for death: ?? Square, motherwell

I did consider this http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b289/dora12345/af39f7c262ae08259ad2e9d3c742d7b3.jpg

But some names and ages are wrong and it adds a mother in law of an unknown name

[Annette7]

I - too - cannot find any of the family in 1871, either in Scotland or England.

Found Daniel Barr and Margaret in 1881 and 1891 census (as I expect you have too) which gives her birthdate circa 1839/40 in Ireland.

George and Margaret's son John born in 1861 was born at Buchanan Street.

1861 Census - Buchanan Street, Old Monkland, Lanarkshire

George Robson   35     Collier         born England
Margt. Robson    23                       born Ireland
Mary Jane Robson  3                      born England

I am only able to view transcripts of Scottish census so don't know if original record states Robson or whether it's simply been mistranscribed (2 sites have it as Robson).

This must be them, bearing in mind son John was born at Buchanan Street just a few months later.

Although supposedly married in Manchester I doubt very much that they married at all.

So, apart from having a rough birthdate (ca.1826) and birthplace England not a great deal further forward (or backwards should it be).   I cannot find a likely death for him in Scotland (or England, come to that) - nor can I find deaths for Daniel Barr, wife Margaret (formerly Robertson, nee Reilly).   Certainly, both were still alive in 1891 and then zilch.

So, if G & M supposedly married in Manchester does that mean that their daughter Mary Jane bc.1858 was born there too (or somewhere else in England en route to Scotland).   The other 'unknown' is that we don't know if George was born in the Manchester area or just living there at the time he met Margaret Reilly.

One step forward and two back!!!

Annette

[Moira27]

Thank you 😃

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b289/dora12345/9021704cb2e49717a6f5d24d17c7bf22.jpg

In the 1881 and 1891 census there's a grand daughter living with g & m, named Mary Jane Tracey born 1880 in Renfrew.  When searched on Scotland's people I found Mary Jane Tracey born in Renfrew but dismissed it due to her mothers name....Mary Jane Robertson.

Margaret died in 1892 in dalziel Lanark, death certificate does not give previous spouse, but on certificate for marriage to Daniel Barr it states 'widow'

As for Daniel Barr, I can't trace of him after 1891 either

Her parents names are still a mystery too

But I now have new avenues to follow Mary Jane Robertson and Mary Jane Tracey 😃

[Annette7]

I would believe the information that Margaret herself gave when she married Daniel Barr.

Clearly, he was the informant when she died so heaven know where he got the completely conflicting details from.

Annette